Terrible News Coming Out of Paris

Truly appalled to have woken up this morning to discover the events of last night, the media is full of reports.

My thoughts are with my French friends - particularly our Maserati friends from Paris....

Sounds like there was no intelligence from any agencies, French or otherwise which is worrying in the extreme.

Please don't imagine that the UK borders provide anything useful in terms of preventing terrorists entering Britain; they don't.

Very sad today, and very angry.

Unfortunately another attack to remind us all that security is paramount no matter where we are. For Millennia, Middle-eastern extremism has been a thorn to those who get between it. What cost is democracy worth when the chickens come home to roost?

Saddened to wake up to this tragedy. Although we are so far away from France, our thoughts are not. Can't help but wonder if this level of evil will strike our shores in the future.
We have had a few incidents but nothing of this magnitude thank God.

Sadly it is only a matter of time before we are hit.

Back in the late 80s, a documentary aired in Australia on Nostradamus.

Nothing out of the ordinary, given countless of these "specials" screened every number of years around the world.

What was disturbing looking back, was how it predicted a third world war would come out of the middle-east.

How muslim extremism would result in violent incidents around Europe, with the Pope eventually forced to flee Rome.

Truth stranger than Fiction....

Heard about it last night as was being taxied about
I love France and Paris. So very very angry and sad
My first instinct is I want revenge

We in the free world MUST take this seriously
We will always be up against it because terrorists strike without warning
I think it is time for some drastic remedial action on our part such as immigration bans
I know I know
but we must do something or they will continue
London next?

I think it's time to send troops to Syria and Iraq and root out this cancer.

As long as they continue to hold territory, a semi functioning state and sources of income, this will only get worse.

Airstrikes alone are useless

I think people are missing the point. You go in and root this lot out and they will then be replaced by someone or something else worse.

This all stems down to many hundreds of years of poor foreign policy and we are partly responsible for atrocities in the middle east as is France and the US etc.. Look at the Sykes-Picot agreement for more information and also the part Tony B"liar" played in getting us embroiled more recently in a war which we should never have been involved in the first place.

Whilst I would never condone the actions of the mongrels who carried out last nights attack you have to say what else do some people have as an existence with their parents, brother and sisters murdered at the hands of western governments , bombs, poor foreign policy and the usual land grab/greed that goes with it.

It's all about rebuilding lives, educating and rebuilding the infrastructure. People just want a roof over their head, a steady income and family. If you stopped all wars in the World right now and put all the money towards famine and rebuilding war torn countries the cost alone would more than cover it, but it won't happen because again it is about control and greed.

It is time we asked ourselves why do people want to perform such barbaric acts in our civilised western society?

Some good points on here as usual and the like will be debated on Question Time and in Parliament, the usual caveats will come out - not all Muslims are terrorists etc
but the fact remains we must have some direct action and not just debates in order to counter this despicable crowd or 'the people' will begin action themselves against probably innocent Muslims because we can only take so much

Britains race relations are already low and descending further as a result of this and it will have a real bearing on the EU referendum next year

Sadly Phil mate, you are right for 99.99999% of the population.

However, they aren't the people causing any trouble anyway, and frankly it doesn't matter what we do, they never will cause any trouble.

The main actors however run a different program: it doesn't matter what we do, they always will cause trouble. We have them on 'our side' too.

You talk of our civilised western society - it's not how they see it, and not how they ever will see it. Again, doesn't matter what we do, you won't be changing their minds. Note, I'm only talking about a very few people here, and agree that virtually everyone in the world wants a quiet life, roof over their heads, food in their stomach. If only it was that easy...

Relatively speaking, I'm not particularly worried about the big players; we have intel, it's generally very good. Hypothetically say, we may very well be managing to prevent similar attacks in London on a regular basis. However, the non-aligned singles or micro groups who are switched on enough to not use smartphones, not use the internet, pay cash everywhere are a different matter entirely. One, just one, could shut down London without warning. How are you going to stop that? The likelihood is that any person capable of doing it is a British Citizen, and has freedom of movement through the country. It's a bit of a tricky one, and no mistake...

I agree with Contigo. The west have picked sides and are committing similar atrocities in their home countries. Do we really know what our governments are doing in the Middle East? I certainly don't. But I am sure that they feel that innocent civilians are being killed probably in a much larger scale and that they feel bullied and suppressed by the West. So in fact we are completing the vicious circle. We will be retaliating which is exactly what they have just done. And so it goes round and round.

I don't have a solution though but I don't believe an eye for an eye is the right solution.

Understood and I do have sympathy with that view
but
Should we do nothing? and wait for the next atrocity which may occur in Manchester or Leeds or Pittsburgh....................................

I do not think we will 'win' through pure aggression, we have to build as well.
Have a look at Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs which basically sets out the essential needs of a human before he can achieve some sort of fulfillment
Stuff like
Water, shelter, food, must be available before you can move to the next level
The everyday Syrian wants a home and a fridge and electricity which we can help with but these terrorists are not interested in that

Phil and Drew, some very sensible and level points there guys. Nice to hear.

For me, the biggest shame when these things happen is that the fear and lack of understanding that it breeds in turn feeds nationalism. We're seeing a huge issue right now with both political and economic migrants in the EU and events like this convince many that these people are to blame. As I said, for me, that's a terrible situation. Building nationalist momentum, turning people into armchair patriots and driving hatred of those who have been displaced by the greed and damage caused, in the most part, by the West. Watching stories every day of children drowning trying to reach Greece and Italy should provoke as much, if not more, reaction than the Paris attacks. But it's the sad fact that until the terror hits our cities, or those close by, we just sit on our hands and change the channel.

As Drew said, 99.9999% of people are not involved in this type of thing. Does that mean that we should let the 0.00001% run amok? Of course not, but it does mean that we need to have perspective here. Educate the masses, help displaced people, provide opportunity. This is the only way to squash unrest.

Ban religion for a start it causes nothing but war and settle any differences on the football pitch/sport, it's worked well in Europe so far.

Ok, it's not as simple as that and yes 99% of Muslims are not to blame, it's the lunatic 1% that are. The Middle East is a developing country in most areas that had been pillaged by the west for oil. Coupled with the slack immigration policy that we have all been harping on about, and here we are.

Over 40% of Muslims in France supported the Charlie Hebdo attacks, there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim.

I'm a simple person with simple views....Any terrorist that wants to take innocent human life should be hunted down and given a taste of their own medicine.

Violence with violence isn't the answer here IMO.

That's what's kept the Israeli conflict rolling on for centuries.

The way the west deals with and views the middle-east is at the core of the problem here for mine.

And very good point about control and greed driving things.

I don't have any answers, it's far too complex. We are in a disastrous appalling situation which sadly I can only see escalating. Very sad what's happened in Paris, chilling to the very core.

Conaero said:

Ban religion for a start it causes nothing but war and settle any differences on the football pitch/sport, it's worked well in Europe so far.

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+ 1 & spoken like a true atheist, I salute you.

I have to say Central London seemed quieter than usual today - less traffic and less people on the pavements & in the shops which is no big surprise

Classico said:

Violence with violence isn't the answer here IMO.

That's what's kept the Israeli conflict rolling on for centuries.

The way the west deals with and views the middle-east is at the core of the problem here for mine.

And very good point about control and greed driving things.

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While I am not a violet person I just really do not know what would make this change......It feels to me that the only way to stop it is to do something about it and sitting talking about and is not the answer. The world has to put their differences to one side and unite on this to make a difference.