Terrible News Coming Out of Paris

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So far international efforts in Syria and Iraq have been aerial, I feel the Paris attacks are a step too far. The only other option is 'boots on the ground' and this is what the US/UK have been itching for, but at this point its valid!

When Hollande states that a Terrorist Army has committed an act of war on the republic, and this will be met with an appropriate response. To me this is Political rhetoric for approval of a ground offensive at the UN Sec Council.
 
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Hmm, sat and read all the comments, arguments and discussions on this, think Drew and Phil(contigo) have got a unlikely balance. West etc fault...... Maybe..... Would they do it anyway.......maybe.
What I will say is, having seen first hand with my own eyes what these 'types' of people are prepared to do to their own kind, never mind enemies is staggering.. Believe me, my wife will vouch, I still have the nightmares,sometimes, I hope to god our intelligence is good enough to keep this from our shores but I fear the worst!! Stay vigilant and keep your eyes open!
 
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D Walker said:
Hmm, sat and read all the comments, arguments and discussions on this, think Drew and Phil(contigo) have got a unlikely balance. West etc fault...... Maybe..... Would they do it anyway.......maybe.
What I will say is, having seen first hand with my own eyes what these 'types' of people are prepared to do to their own kind, never mind enemies is staggering.. Believe me, my wife will vouch, I still have the nightmares,sometimes, I hope to god our intelligence is good enough to keep this from our shores but I fear the worst!! Stay vigilant and keep your eyes open!
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Brings it home when you hear someone's personal experience/s. Without giving the Extremists airtime, there are two words these c**ts mutter in the name of their God, If you know the phrase it never ends well. Our World is globalised, these atrocities can occur anywhere and softer targets such as crowded music venues etc are most vulnerable.
 
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ChrisQP09 said:
So far international efforts in Syria and Iraq have been aerial, I feel the Paris attacks are a step too far. The only other option is 'boots on the ground' and this is what the US/UK have been itching for, but at this point its valid!

When Hollande states that a Terrorist Army has committed an act of war on the republic, and this will be met with an appropriate response. To me this is Political rhetoric for approval of a ground offensive at the UN Sec Council.
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any "boots on ground" operation must include Russia otherwise ww3 is here and that must be avoided at all costs .
 
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D Walker said:
Hmm, sat and read all the comments, arguments and discussions on this, think Drew and Phil(contigo) have got a unlikely balance. West etc fault...... Maybe..... Would they do it anyway.......maybe.
What I will say is, having seen first hand with my own eyes what these 'types' of people are prepared to do to their own kind, never mind enemies is staggering.. Believe me, my wife will vouch, I still have the nightmares,sometimes, I hope to god our intelligence is good enough to keep this from our shores but I fear the worst!! Stay vigilant and keep your eyes open!
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Unlikely balance?

I'm not sure I could have made it any clearer even with the facts. The point is we are where we are because of our foreign policy. France are in the same boat and the terrorists have even acknowledged that this was revenge for recent air strikes in Syria.
 
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These people want a reaction, the more we force, the more they preach, the more they recruit, the more the innocent suffer.

We need to find another way
 
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Contigo said:
Unlikely balance?

I'm not sure I could have made it any clearer even with the facts. The point is we are where we are because of our foreign policy. France are in the same boat and the terrorists have even acknowledged that this was revenge for recent air strikes in Syria.
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Yes and I agreed! Also agreed with Drew that the majority of that faith aren't supporters. However if you think this is retaliation for air strikes Its more than that, it's an excuse and used to justify the ideology.
I don't want to get into the full semantics, there is good and bad in all races and religions but this is a different ball game.
 
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there's no reasoning with terrorists and there's no way of stopping anyone who's prepared to die so the only tool is intelligence

On the news it was reported one of the bombers was known to be an extremist , if he's known, why is he still walking about, things need to change, it's no good watching people until they blow themselves up, if they're communicating with terrorist groups they should be arrested

Look at that fiasco with Abu hamza ,5 years to get him extradited to the US , when will these public schoolboys running the country get in the real world , when there's a thousand of us dead, 10 thousand

Hopefully this will make the public realise we need to be in control of our own borders when the referendum comes

I have no idea how bad it'll get if we actually declare war on any country , in WW2 we had internment for anyone perceived to be a threat, how would that work , evacuate the Isle of Wight and build a fence round it.

We should have kept the same border controls as the Australians , controls we gave up , it's too late now
 
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The situation is complicated with loads of factors intertwined. But if you strip it all away, it can be likened to bullying. You didn't stop a bully by reporting them, or appealing to them, you smacked them in the face!
 
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Wack61 said:
Them EU make up the rules but it's only the UK that seems to adhere to them
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Came to the same conclusion when we meet a few European friends in Belgium a few years ago, the consensus was this exactly, EU make rules which the rest of Europe ignore, it's just the Brits that follow them to the letter.
 
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Err, the recent attack was in France.... The ones who deported the Terrorists on and extrajudicial basis if these links (that are over 3 years old I should add) are to be believed.

How has this turned into being about the UK and ECHR?

These attacks are abhorrent, those who carry them out are damaged and we need to tackle them and the issues that made them. It is the IS strategy to provoke an extreme response, to make their enemies alienate moderate Muslims, this will drive those who are affected to see extremism as the only way to defend themselves and their religion, making more recruits for IS.
 
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I am aware that Italy is in the EU and I think I understand the point you are making. I agree it would have been nice to spend less on the deportation of Abu Hamza - but it is unclear to me if this is representative of all UK deportations and not just something some parts of the press have used to support their anti EU narrative. The June 2015 link makes no reference to the deportations threatened by France being extrajudicial.

I assumed that you made these comments in relation to the barbaric murders in Paris. What I was trying to say is that by using these events as a pretext to abandon democratic rights or laws such as the ECHR plays into the hands of the extremists. It gives a bigger audience to those who would preach hatred of our countries and its culture, so we should be very careful about how we react to these events for fear of perpetuating them.
 
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I don't think this is a good topic on a car forum I am sadend buy the events that's happened in France and I feel for the family's but if we all start voicing our own opinions on here it will get out of hand. There is a web site for that called face book full of people who are up for an argument or is that just my vue. But all the same I'll keep out of this as I'm sure my vues will get some eye browse raising.
 
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Its a fair point Steve and I have my finger poised for when it crosses a line then I will close it but for now, as ever, the gents on here have conducted themselves well which is testament to the forum.

I would like to see views from members who live in the Middle East or within those ethnic communities for there take and if the opinions of us are close or wide of the mark.

If or when they do, we should respect their opinions even if they see the West responsible for a portion of the blame. We all know our governments are far from blameless here.
 
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Zep said:
I am aware that Italy is in the EU and I think I understand the point you are making. I agree it would have been nice to spend less on the deportation of Abu Hamza - but it is unclear to me if this is representative of all UK deportations and not just something some parts of the press have used to support their anti EU narrative. The June 2015 link makes no reference to the deportations threatened by France being extrajudicial.

I assumed that you made these comments in relation to the barbaric murders in Paris. What I was trying to say is that by using these events as a pretext to abandon democratic rights or laws such as the ECHR plays into the hands of the extremists. It gives a bigger audience to those who would preach hatred of our countries and its culture, so we should be very careful about how we react to these events for fear of perpetuating them.
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I didn't mean that to be confrontational , if it came across that way I apologise , I feel so frustrated we appear to be heading for a war

While we are a target I think the Russians are in their sights next and that's what worries me the most because they won't worry about collateral damage
 
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Conaero said:
Its a fair point Steve and I have my finger poised for when it crosses a line then I will close it but for now, as ever, the gents on here have conducted themselves well which is testament to the forum.
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Good man, Matt.

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Wack61 said:
I didn't mean that to be confrontational , if it came across that way I apologise , I feel so frustrated we appear to be heading for a war

While we are a target I think the Russians are in their sights next and that's what worries me the most because they won't worry about collateral damage
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Not at all, we all have opinions and are free to express them. We fear the same thing and we all hope it doesn't go that far. If we can talk about it without fighting then we prove we are better than these animals!
 
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