Cheap, Useable, Easy to Spanner car

dgmx5

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Despite my growing up in Leicestershire in close proximity to Mallory Park, my father was never into cars or spannering of any description, and I spent my formative years with my head in books.

To my great regret, I did not spend my spare time tinkering with vehicles of any description.

I did not even get to own my first car until I was 24 as I lived a meagre life on a PhD grant in Nottingham.

When I later bought an NA MX-5 in 1999 I did do some small tasks, and I changed over the hood to an NB glass window roof making it a genuinely useable daily in winter with a heated window element (there was an Italian one make series of the NB '5 and they had 24 softtops which were duly collected by the MX5OC in a transporter and brought to the UK. I spent an afternoon in a multi-storey car park in Camberley under guidance swapping over my plastic window roof to the later version.

I fitted bushes and uprated RARB on a 200SX.

I changed discs and pads on my Leon Cupra R and some other small bits.

But as you can see, a whole load of stuff I have never done particularly concerning the engine.

Sadly I don't have even off road parking let alone the dream garages some on here have.

So I would like to get a cheap, useable car that would be suitable for me to do some spannering and learning on. Something that if I messed up would cost me little if I had to scrap it.

So, I am looking for:

a. something mechanically simple, probably with limited electronics;
b. easy to work on and with space under the bonnet to do so. In this respect the MK1 MX-5 had a surprising amount of empty space;
c. preferably 4 door hatch or estate so it would justify its existence as being useful alongside the 4200 and a Z4 which are many things, but not really useful;
d. cheap in as classic PH-shed money (i.e. £1,000 rather than the £1,500 limit SOTW now allows) but I suppose £2,500 might be doable;
e. cheap VED. Modern cars are too tighly packaged, so I guess I will be looking pre-2005 and would consider classics;
f. access to body panels to allow replacement rather than respray of any dings, rust etc (this is not a necessary requirement);
g. has that undefinable quality of 'character'.

To give you an idea of what might hit the spot, the following have been considered but probably ruled out:

a. obvious choice a few years ago might be a return to an NA MX-5 but these are no longer cheap and we already have a roadster (Z4) so duplication of what we have. NB 5s are cheaper but prone to rusted sills and I don't want to get involved with welding or bodywork if it can avoided;
b. classic Mini - again no longer cheap and very impractical though loads of character;
c. R53 MINI - tightly packaged engine bay and impractical;
d. SAAB V4 95 or 96 - the only car my parents owned during my lifetime that I perceived to be cool (they did have an Escort and Mini before I was born) but outside budget.
 
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I would suggest something from VW, maybe a MK4 Golf or something based on that platform.

The amount of knowledge on the internet about them is immense and so you would have plenty of resources and they are generally fairly easy to spanner.

I have done cambelt, clutches, gearboxes, drive shafts, brakes, suspension, body panels, head gaskets, wheel bearings with very few special tools and it is satisfying when it is right.
 

philw696

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You won't get much better than my Renault 4 fits your description perfectly and the girls love them.
It's a Win Win situation :)
Good Luck.
 

Evo Cymru

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I would say R53 would be good fun. Reasonably well built (though do have issues), lots of guides on-line etc and fairly simple to work on, lots of spares and mod suppliers, good handling and supercharged engine makes for interesting driving. I see the JCW variety have increased in value over the past year....
 

dgmx5

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Does a cheap MK4 Golf have character (as opposed to an R32 variant)?

The R4 certainly floats my boat (the French counterpart to the SAAB V4 5?) but it seems it floats plenty of others too as they are no longer cheap.

The R53 has the character but is pretty tight for working on and is not any more practical than what we already have. The wife would like a MINI which you would think would make it an easier sell but would also count against me as she would want it to be roadworthy and available at all times which, knowing me, would not be the case.

MK1 Golf Cab is another that seems to no longer be cheap and loses practicality as well... unless you can stand a grandfather clock upright on the back seats?
 

Zep

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Does a cheap MK4 Golf have character (as opposed to an R32 variant)?

I had a Golf TDI estate for years, did all of the stuff mentioned above, stuck some GTI wheels on it, chipped it to 180 bhp, changed the bushes to those from an Audi TT and I found it surprisingly nice to drive and bonded with it because of all the work. If you don’t want the devil’s fuel a 1.8t goes well, with the above mods, handles well and it was highly practical. Did over 140,000 miles in it and lost £1000.

The problem you face is that you already have characterful cars, it will be hard to match that in a cheap car you can spanner on without worrying too much about breaking it. You can pick up a tatty GTI for £700, and learn lots without breaking the bank on parts or depreciation.

There are plenty of other option though, I just haven’t tried those!
 
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philw696

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You can certainly get 4 Maserati 4200 wheels and tyres in MK1 Golf Cab as I saw first hand with Peter @safrane do at my house several years ago.
 

rossyl

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I would base this purely on the amount of YouTube and active forums there are for a particular car.

A Early 2000, so that it's reliable and works everytime.

Avensis
Corolla
I'm assuming lots of US knowledge must be out there.

Or a BMW 5 series

Don't get a Merc from this era, they rust.
 

dgmx5

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Surprised to see that MK4 GTIs are much cheaper than a similar vintage/mileage Leon Cupra R.

I guess they sold in much greater numbers, but given that SEAT was the cheap, fun, sporty brand of the VAG group and the Golf was far more upmarket (Audi S3 would have been the premium hatch on that chassis), I am surprised to see how much the prices have softened.
 

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Another vote for Golf Mk4 - our sub £500 1.4 is a hoot to drive and parts cost peanuts. Extremely easy to work on, 2.0 litre GTi's are cheap as they are not proper GTi's - you need a 1.8T for that (pricey). The V5 is my pick but they are gaining value now - so I'd say a 1.6S or a 2.0 GTI

The missus always laughs when I take the Golf instead of the Maser for some B road fun
 

Ewan

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So, you want a fun car that’s cheap to learn spannering on? Sounds as though you are the perfect chap for a Westfield. Buy the cheapest chassis you can find, fit the cheapest engine you can find, the cheapest brakes, the cheapest lights, etc, and hey presto, you have a thrill-a-minute death trap. With most bits being donated from scrap-yard Cortinas from the ‘70’s.
This will not be your most practical car.
But it will be the most fun and highly educational.
 

Doctor Houx

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I think the OP suggested a hatch or estate so he has something practical. You will note from the Auctions thread I regularly buy and sell cheap daily drivers from Anglia Car Auctions so my more collectible stuff doesn’t get exposed to winter roads or add mileage doing boring daily chores.

My experience to date would suggest Mercs up to early 90’s such as W123 or W124 when they were over engineered tanks where the quality and durability are remarkable.... no wonder so many were used as taxi’s. They are peanuts to buy and 2nd hand parts are plentiful and cheap. A great choice of E class and S class saloons and estates out there.
 
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rockits

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Plenty of decent tepid to hot hatches that might fit the brief. I bought good examples of a 306 GTi-6 and also a 206 GTi 180 that were cost effective, good fun, pretty practical and likely fairly easy to spanner.

Bought a Hyundai Coupe as well for £640 that fits the same criteria. Decent looking, a bit of fun, sounds good and with rear hatch and folding back seats pretty practical.

As others have said a MK4 or MK5 Golf would be good. A MK5 Golf GTi can be had for not silly money.

Depends on budget and how much practically?
 

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If you want something really easy then you are right to shy away from anything with too much electronics so that pushes you back into the 80s or earlier. Saabs and Volvos are really good as not only are they easy to work on they have a understated sort of coolness about them
 

spkennyuk

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Despite my growing up in Leicestershire in close proximity to Mallory Park, my father was never into cars or spannering of any description, and I spent my formative years with my head in books.

To my great regret, I did not spend my spare time tinkering with vehicles of any description.

I did not even get to own my first car until I was 24 as I lived a meagre life on a PhD grant in Nottingham.

When I later bought an NA MX-5 in 1999 I did do some small tasks, and I changed over the hood to an NB glass window roof making it a genuinely useable daily in winter with a heated window element (there was an Italian one make series of the NB '5 and they had 24 softtops which were duly collected by the MX5OC in a transporter and brought to the UK. I spent an afternoon in a multi-storey car park in Camberley under guidance swapping over my plastic window roof to the later version.

I fitted bushes and uprated RARB on a 200SX.

I changed discs and pads on my Leon Cupra R and some other small bits.

But as you can see, a whole load of stuff I have never done particularly concerning the engine.

Sadly I don't have even off road parking let alone the dream garages some on here have.

So I would like to get a cheap, useable car that would be suitable for me to do some spannering and learning on. Something that if I messed up would cost me little if I had to scrap it.

So, I am looking for:

a. something mechanically simple, probably with limited electronics;
b. easy to work on and with space under the bonnet to do so. In this respect the MK1 MX-5 had a surprising amount of empty space;
c. preferably 4 door hatch or estate so it would justify its existence as being useful alongside the 4200 and a Z4 which are many things, but not really useful;
d. cheap in as classic PH-shed money (i.e. £1,000 rather than the £1,500 limit SOTW now allows) but I suppose £2,500 might be doable;
e. cheap VED. Modern cars are too tighly packaged, so I guess I will be looking pre-2005 and would consider classics;
f. access to body panels to allow replacement rather than respray of any dings, rust etc (this is not a necessary requirement);
g. has that undefinable quality of 'character'.

To give you an idea of what might hit the spot, the following have been considered but probably ruled out:

a. obvious choice a few years ago might be a return to an NA MX-5 but these are no longer cheap and we already have a roadster (Z4) so duplication of what we have. NB 5s are cheaper but prone to rusted sills and I don't want to get involved with welding or bodywork if it can avoided;
b. classic Mini - again no longer cheap and very impractical though loads of character;
c. R53 MINI - tightly packaged engine bay and impractical;
d. SAAB V4 95 or 96 - the only car my parents owned during my lifetime that I perceived to be cool (they did have an Escort and Mini before I was born) but outside budget.

How about a ford puma 1997 to 2001 model. Electronics hadnt got too complicated by then. 1.7 engine in a small car that could be tweaked and modded as much as you liked. Parts still cheap and available with cars availabe between £600 and £1500 ish.

I can see them going up in value in the next few years as 18 to 20+ year old that were buying them in the early 2000s will hit the magic 40 mark in the next couple of years.

Sporty little coupe that handled very well and could be worked on by the budding home mechanic.
 
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What about a Skoda Octavia or Superb estate? VAG mechanicals, but literally as cheap as ...........
Car Throttle. Miles the Skoda If you're not familiar, have a watch.
Obviously these cars don't quite tick the box ITO electronics and I don't know about room to work,
but they must be worth your consideration.