2024 - Fantasy F1

Guy

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The experts at work say Merc or Aston or Ferrari,. My money would be on Toto if it was a fist fight but the allure of Ferrari and Hamilton might win over Stroll's wallet at Aston.
I get the allure of Ferrari but are we not witnessing the same mid age deterioration that the great Michael Schumacher endured at 40? I imagine he will go where he fancies because he probably has more money than he will ever need by now. He is 65 so probably his swansong? Stroll will make the best offer and may be there is that Aston appeal to him as a classic British car enthusiast. I can't imagine Mercedes. Whatever, he will shake things up but it always takes time and it may be 2 or 3 seasons before we see his next dominant car.
 
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I heard a rumor that L. Stroll wants to sell out of F1 (and likely Aston Martin) ... not reliable, but it's out there.
So would he care to hire Adrian Newey at this moment in time, if that were true.

I think Merc or Ferrari would want that talent ... but don't forget McLaren.

On another note, I don't get why Ferrari want Lewis ... I think the guy is done, and I'm not sure what he will add over LeClerc or Sainz.
In any event, the decision is done ... so the question is, who will be let go to give Hamilton a seat ... and where will that driver go?
There's going to be some VERY interesting shake ups next year.
 

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I heard a rumor that L. Stroll wants to sell out of F1 (and likely Aston Martin) ... not reliable, but it's out there.
So would he care to hire Adrian Newey at this moment in time, if that were true.

I think Merc or Ferrari would want that talent ... but don't forget McLaren.

On another note, I don't get why Ferrari want Lewis ... I think the guy is done, and I'm not sure what he will add over LeClerc or Sainz.
In any event, the decision is done ... so the question is, who will be let go to give Hamilton a seat ... and where will that driver go?
There's going to be some VERY interesting shake ups next year.

Stroll would see a team with Newey under contract as worth more, so he might want to. Then there is the smart move by Fred V, he put Hamilton on his hook and went fishing for a Newey. Let’s see if he gets a bite.

As for Ferrari drivers, it’s a done deal, Sainz is out, probably to Audi.
 
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From the F1 website last year:

"Fernando Alonso has admitted that he “wishes” to one day link up with Formula 1 design guru Adrian Newey, who penned yet another double championship-winning car in 2023."

Alonso may be a bit long in the tooth but he's still very competitive, and a tie up with Newey would be too good to miss imho.
 

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Stroll would see a team with Newey under contract as worth more, so he might want to. Then there is the smart move by Fred V, he put Hamilton on his hook and went fishing for a Newey. Let’s see if he gets a bite.
If it's a value proposition, why not Haas (Andretti)?
 

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My tuppence, and that's all it would be, would be Ferrari. I can't see him running up against Lawrence, despite Neweys demeanour he is very much I do it my way and that doesn't align to Lawrence the bully. Merc is a possibility Toto would give him free rein time will tell
 

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On a side note I think Lawrence has finally understood no amount of money will make his son a F1 World Champion, Alonso's performance has shown it's not the car but the driver. Therefore he will revert to businessman and will realise that neither Aston or F1 is a good investment for his money.
 
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This may have some legs yet......

Red Bull have vowed to fight any rival move for Adrian Newey amid widespread rumours their star designer has told the team he wants to leave over the Christian Horner controversy.

Germany’s Auto Motor und Sport claimed on Thursday the team’s chief technical officer – who has been behind all 13 of their drivers’ and constructors’ titles – was set to quit Milton Keynes, with Ferrari seen as his most likely destination. The BBC later reported that Newey has already “told the team that he wants to move on”, claiming the 65-year-old has become unsettled by the controversy surrounding team principal Horner.

Horner, 50, was accused earlier this year of controlling and coercive behaviour by a female employee. He strongly denied the allegations with the employee’s grievance case dismissed following an internal investigation carried out by a specialist barrister. The woman in question has appealed that finding, with an employment tribunal likely to follow should her appeal prove unsuccessful.

Rumours around Newey’s future have been rife since the Horner controversy first erupted at the start of the year, with Red Bull’s rivals alert to the possibility of landing a major scalp, or at the very least destabilising F1’s leading team.

Aston Martin are believed to have made a lucrative offer for the 65-year-old, with Ferrari also heavily linked, not least because Newey has admitted in the past that he would have enjoyed the challenge of working with the Scuderia - and with seven-time world champion Lewis Hamilton, who is moving to Ferrari from Mercedes next year. A Newey move to the Italian giants, to team up with Hamilton, would be seismic.

The Milton Keynes-based said in a statement Newey “has a contract until 2025 and added they were “unaware of him joining any other team”.

The British designer’s highly lucrative deal sees technical director Pierre Wache take day-to-day charge of Formula One, allowing Newey to work on a variety of projects outside of the sport - notably the RB17 supercar, which is due to be unveiled later this year. Newey only signed that contract 13 months ago. Red Bull’s statement suggests they will fight tooth and nail to hold him to it, meaning he would be unlikely to be able to join a rival before 2026.

Red Bull’s statement read: “Adrian is contracted until at least the end of 2025 and we are unaware of him joining any other team.”

Newey is expected to be in Miami next week where Red Bull will try to win their sixth grand prix in seven races this season. Speculation regarding Newey’s future will undoubtedly mean further questions for Max Verstappen in Miami.

The three-time world champion has repeatedly stressed the importance of keeping the senior team at Red Bull in place. In Saudi Arabia Verstappen - who has a contract until 2028 - even suggested he might leave the team if Red Bull’s motorsport advisor Helmut Marko was fired. Marko and Verstappen’s father, Jos, have both fallen out with Horner.
 

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Some further interesting points on the subject, notably the total flexibility he enjoys at RBR and their probably watertight contract.

The truth is, as far as engineering nous is concerned, Newey is rightly regarded as a genius.

He has shaped the entire modern era of grand prix racing. Newey-designed cars have now won more than 200 grands prix and 13 constructors’ titles dating back to his first, the uber-dominant 1992 Williams-Renault FW14B which carried Nigel Mansell to glory.
Newey admitted that he probably spent “roughly 50 per cent” of his time on F1. “I suppose I’m a bit of a maverick in as much as… I’ve managed to get to a situation now where it [the F1 engineering team] can operate procedurally without me, which allows me to be spoilt enough to be able to get involved in any area I feel like.”

Those areas include the America’s Cup with Alinghi. And MotoGP. Newey has even had a hand in designing a submarine, a project commissioned by Red Bull’s late co-owner Dietrich Mateschitz, who died last year. Most of all, though, it is the RB17 super car which has dominated Newey’s time of late. It is a big passion project of his, and one of the major reasons it has been hard to imagine him leaving right now. The first prototype is due out later this year.

But you can never rule anything out in F1. Newey may be fabulously well paid at around £15 million a year, he may get to set his own hours, live part-time in South Africa and spend less time in F1. But if it is true he is unsettled, there are some very wealthy teams out there who would be only too willing to throw money at him to tempt him to defect – to see whether he still has it. The 2026 regulations are coming up and Newey is the best in the business with a blank canvas.

Whether he could actually take his pencils to Ferrari, Aston Martin or Mercedes is another matter. Red Bull’s statement made it very clear they would look to hold him to his contract. If he did try to force a move, it would surely be the gardening leave to end all gardening leaves. By the time he did go anywhere, he could be approaching 70.

But if it is true he is unsettled – and it appears to be the politicking, the power struggle behind the scenes at Red Bull, and all the uncertainty, which has most upset him – there are some very wealthy teams out there who would be only too willing to throw money at him to tempt him to defect – to see whether he still has it. The 2026 regulations are coming up and Newey is the best in the business with a blank canvas.

But even if he tries it will be huge. Horner would be losing a key ally as he battles to hang on to his job, as well as a genius brain.
 

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The current rumblings show a few things (which we already knew of course and which have played out in F1 so many times):



  • How fragile teams really are when they stand to lose an important member, be it driver, team principal, designer or engineer. Mercedes losing Niki and now Hamilton. Mateschitz passing at Red Bull. When you get on the downhill slope it’s steep.
  • Power corrupts, if someone is successful and in a position of power for too long it will go pear shaped. Horner trying to take advantage of the situation after Mateschitz’s death, Money man Stroll pushing his loser son to the detriment of team spirit and success, Toto losing it at Mercedes? They always leave or are pushed too late.
  • How important it is to have a secure engine supplier if you don’t manufacture one yourself. This led to RBPS and there are enough questions there. On the other hand if you do make your own and it’s a dud it will take years and years like Renault.
  • It takes a lot of money to be able to race successfully in a budget cap environment…….as long as not everything is in the budget. The smaller teams still don’t stand a chance, maybe even less. Look at what Ferrari are doing now and possibly Audi in a couple of years. Can you really compete with that. What Red Bull did the last few years is pretty remarkable in that light and the result of a all of the team and its (engine)suppliers achieving greatness at the same time.
  • You may be the best driver, but you still need a championship worthy environment. Hamilton not being able to drag a Mercedes to the front and if it goes pear shaped at Red Bull, what will Max do after this year? At the moment Hamilton seems to be sitting pretty for 2025 onwards if he can keep it up against Leclerc.
 
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On a side note I think Lawrence has finally understood no amount of money will make his son a F1 World Champion, Alonso's performance has shown it's not the car but the driver. Therefore he will revert to businessman and will realise that neither Aston or F1 is a good investment for his money.
Yup, and that is exactly why my source says he will sell Aston Martin ... that will be the easier way out, than to tell his son he can't drive in F1.
 
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Some further interesting points on the subject, notably the total flexibility he enjoys at RBR and their probably watertight contract.

The truth is, as far as engineering nous is concerned, Newey is rightly regarded as a genius.

He has shaped the entire modern era of grand prix racing. Newey-designed cars have now won more than 200 grands prix and 13 constructors’ titles dating back to his first, the uber-dominant 1992 Williams-Renault FW14B which carried Nigel Mansell to glory.
Newey admitted that he probably spent “roughly 50 per cent” of his time on F1. “I suppose I’m a bit of a maverick in as much as… I’ve managed to get to a situation now where it [the F1 engineering team] can operate procedurally without me, which allows me to be spoilt enough to be able to get involved in any area I feel like.”

Those areas include the America’s Cup with Alinghi. And MotoGP. Newey has even had a hand in designing a submarine, a project commissioned by Red Bull’s late co-owner Dietrich Mateschitz, who died last year. Most of all, though, it is the RB17 super car which has dominated Newey’s time of late. It is a big passion project of his, and one of the major reasons it has been hard to imagine him leaving right now. The first prototype is due out later this year.

But you can never rule anything out in F1. Newey may be fabulously well paid at around £15 million a year, he may get to set his own hours, live part-time in South Africa and spend less time in F1. But if it is true he is unsettled, there are some very wealthy teams out there who would be only too willing to throw money at him to tempt him to defect – to see whether he still has it. The 2026 regulations are coming up and Newey is the best in the business with a blank canvas.

Whether he could actually take his pencils to Ferrari, Aston Martin or Mercedes is another matter. Red Bull’s statement made it very clear they would look to hold him to his contract. If he did try to force a move, it would surely be the gardening leave to end all gardening leaves. By the time he did go anywhere, he could be approaching 70.

But if it is true he is unsettled – and it appears to be the politicking, the power struggle behind the scenes at Red Bull, and all the uncertainty, which has most upset him – there are some very wealthy teams out there who would be only too willing to throw money at him to tempt him to defect – to see whether he still has it. The 2026 regulations are coming up and Newey is the best in the business with a blank canvas.

But even if he tries it will be huge. Horner would be losing a key ally as he battles to hang on to his job, as well as a genius brain.
So Redbull may lose Helmet, Adrian and Max over (essential) Christian H. Has Redbull not realized those three are worth far more than Christian H?