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The workshop manual does not specify a torque setting for the intake manifold bolts.

Where the torque is not specified, then standard torque is used. Have a look on google and you'll find various industry standard torque tables and then you can just look up the size of fastening and that will give you the correct torque.

Mike.
 

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Cheers Mike, thanks for that bit of very useful information. Whilst on the topic of plenum leaks, I have a suspected leak in my intake system. Apart from the plenum, are there any other likely culprits? I have slight hesitation when cold and a little bit of RPM hunting at idle. The DTC errors are P1171 ( not sure but I think this is long term idle adaption) and lambda sensor, but this is a new item recently replaced.

Any guidance would be appreciated

regards,

Neil
 

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jubileeclips.co.uk

I think the question on torque was referring to the intake manifold bolts, not the Jubilee clips attaching the water distribution manifold to the rubber pipes?

But, it's the Diamond Jubilee this weekend, so why not!

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oh, thanks.
The post of SteveM "possible intake leak" is so fresh that google didn´t find it yet for me.

Another thing that I found interesting on the intake manifold. On mine there where 3! washers under the bolt on the last position on the left side and one washer on the last position on the right side. But no washers on all the other 14 bolts holding the manifold.

Also the part diagramm on eurospares dont show any washers - so how should they be placed and how many ?

And yes, I was refering to the torque of the intake manifold bolts...
 
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Mike you're a star! The other O2 sensor error I get is for bank 1 so looks like its indicating the same side. Is it possible the leak is on the RH bank of cylinders and this is causing erroneous readings on the O2 sensor? I replaced two new sensors only a few months ago so hard to believe it's the sensor itself.

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It's difficult to tell - if it were here, I've got a whole heap of diagnostic gear I could attach to it that would tell us exactly what the problem is. but, you're a long way away!

Although, I have done some foreign trips to sort out cars. Usually, a group of owners will wait until they all have problems, split my airfare between them, and I'll turn up and spend the time going from one Maserati to another with all my gear until I've made my way through every car in the area before flying home again having left a "to do" list with the cars that can be sorted by local garages.

Possibly not practical for Australia though...

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Am sure Mike...they they got the equipment the other end ....you could advise and diagnose via skype...in real time...lead them by the nose so to speak??!!


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If they've got the diagnostic equipment, they should be able to use it. I doubt there are many SD2/SD3/Technomotor/Pro-1 systems in Australia.

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Possibly... but not impossible... What kind of gear would you be able to bring with you? Enough to check and correct valve timing and your diagnostic gear as well? I have a feeling mine is one of those cars that came with timing errors from the factory.

I've come to the decision that the 3200 may be the long term car for me after seriously contemplating a change to a Ferrari and realising that this car does everything I could ask of it. As such I'd like to get it perfect.

Whilst my indie here is pretty good, he hasn't really been able or willing to spend the time getting to the bottom of it. I'm going at it a little in the dark with all my previous experience being with Porsches.

I've got gaskets and knock sensors on the way from Eurospares so I'll pull the plenum off and do the knock sensors, the cooling hoses and see if it fixes the problem after putting it ack together. Failing that I might be looking at calling on your expertise!!

Regards and thanks for your input, it's most appreciated.

Neil
 

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Fear not, I will remain true to the Trident. :) In my eyes the 3200 is one of the prettiest GTs around and if I can get it running the way I know it can, it will be a long term car for me.

Neil
 

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This is your own personal experience Mike....do other independents use same or MDs?

It may be my own personal experience, but I tend to be quite boring and just use the factory equipment rather than anything aftermarket. It's more than adequate to get to the bottom of most problems.

SD2 and SD3 just talk to the ECUs and let you know what the ECU thinks the problem is and tells you what the ECUs think a particular sensor signal is. But, sometimes, you need to go to the horse's mouth and see what the actual signal looks like.

For instance, I had a particularly tricky problem recently, where my SD2 machine was giving me a smoothed out moving average value for a sensor output as reported by the ECU. I knew there was a possible problem with the sensor that the ECU and my SD2 wasn't picking up, so I used one of the FIAT Group Technomotor interfaces to look at the signal that was coming from the sensor directly, and there were circumstances were the signal degraded in an unusual way that I could only see by looking at a graphical representation of the signal output. The problem was confirmed, the part was changed, the car was cured.

So, whilst SD2 or SD3 is a vital tool that all independent Maserati specialists and Main Dealers have, it's also handy to have the other diagnostic equipment that compliments it like the FIAT Group Technomotor interface set when it comes to a trickier problem. However, I'm not sure that all independents have the full FIAT Group Technomotor set. Why not ask them? I'm always happy to show anyone my equipment - I've got some very obscure gear going back to the year dot, all of it factory or main dealer. Does anyone else have the unique Lancia Thema 8.32 diagnostics machine (the one with the Ferrari/Ducati V8)? I do :D .

Mike.
 

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Mike....as ever....an engineers mind thinks much more succintly than other mere mortals, respect...and we know our Matt off here swears by you!




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beside high - tech SD2/3 talks I am wondering whether there will be some info about the low tech washers.. :)
 

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Yes....there are a number of references to the lesser code readers....one of the guys will pass by and fill you in


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