AC Compressor replacement procedure

esprits4s

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Does anyone have the AC compressor replacement procedure that you would be willing to post or PM me? My compressor seized today. The AC was working fine, until it wasn't and I smelled burnt rubber. Here is a picture of the compressor and clutch:

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Also, I haven't found much in the forums about the compressor, but has anyone found a non-Maserati source or another vehicle that the compressor is used on? The compressor is marked Delphi, but I'll have to get the car up in the air to make out the part numbers.

The car in question is an '05 Coupe.

Thanks,
Gary
 

Andyk

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Welcome Gary.....Can not help you but sure someone will be along who can.....Take it from you name you also have a Lotus Esprit S4S...Regarded as one of the best Esprits...Lovely car...Oh, along with the Maserati of course.......Again welcome and hope you get loads out of the forum.
 

esprits4s

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Thank you for the welcome. I have owned my S4s (Norfolk mustard with magnolia interior) for about 10 years and don't ever plan to sell it. I've only owned the Maserati for a couple of weeks; although, I've been watching and researching them on and off for a couple of years before finally pulling the trigger.


BTW. the part number is 01139519 (Delphi). A quick web search turned up a couple of potential contacts for rebuilts but not much else.
 

2b1ask1

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Can't find the thread but there is the car being part-out'd in Canada at the moment, could be a replacement there?
 

conaero

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Can't find the thread but there is the car being part-out'd in Canada at the moment, could be a replacement there?

The thread was removed due to abusive behaviour from the vendor. He was given the opportunity to explain his comments but declined.
 

esprits4s

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Thanks guys. I'll take pictures and notes on the procedure. As for the car being parted in Canada, at the prices he was asking I would be better off just buying a new pump.
 

esprits4s

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So, I have the compressor unbolted. However, I don't see how the AC lines can be removed from the compressor while it is in the car. It's possible that the lines could be detached at the other ends and removed with the compressor, but it's not obvious that the compressor could then be removed without pulling the exhaust manifold and heat shield. If anyone here has done this previously or has the service manual info on pulling the compressor (or the manifold), I would greatly appreciate any information.
 

conaero

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The AC lines will unbolt from the compressor it's obviously a case of access.

I think your best route is to speak to Wicked1, a member on here. His name is Matthew and runs an independent Maserati garage and sure he will have come across this. Do take pics and do a how to guide when your done.
 

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Just be careful guys if the refridgerant is still in the system as you could injure yourself just undoing a union plus in the uk illegal to knowingly discharge into the open air greenhouse gases and all that.
 

Marc777

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I was quoted £1,300 plus VAT plus fitting for the QP compressor.....

... I did read a story on-line about re-using the backing plate from the old unti and fixing it to a compressor from another Italian car which uses the same base unti- cant remember of it was Lancia Fiat or Alfa ...

I'll see of I can find it....
 

esprits4s

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Thanks for the responses everyone. Yes, access is the issue with the AC lines, but my biggest concern is removing the compressor once these lines are disconnected. I am not eager to pull the exhaust manifold, but it looks like this may be required. I haven't looked at the car in a couple of days, but I'll dig back in tonight.

As for a replacement compressor, I looked extensively for a substitute, but wasn't able to find that this unit is used anywhere else. I ended up buying a replacement from a breaker. Initially, I thought that I only needed the clutch, but that is not the case.

I will follow up with what I find once the job is done.
 

conaero

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Removing the headers/manifolds is a very difficult job I have heard. You will probably need to remove the front of the exhaust and cats, lambdas etc.

I have a nagging thought in my mind that you have to lift the engine heads clear of the engine bay to do it but this might be for one of the other models, can't remember.

Good luck with it and you can bet your bottom dollar that the pump is used, probably somewhere within FIAT. It's just not cost effective to have a pump designed for such a small run car.
 

esprits4s

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I don't doubt that the pump is used elsewhere. However, it appears there is a dedicated Delphi part number for the Maserati application. This makes it difficult to cross and leaves physically comparing pumps to find a substitute.

I agree that pulling the exhaust manifold looks like a time consuming job which is why I am skeptical that it is required. It does look like the compressor will come out if the heat shield can be removed, so maybe that's the answer.
 
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conaero

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That's classic Maserati having it's own Delphi number for a pump that is used else where.

A classic example is the starter motor in the 3200. It's something ridiculous like £400 for the gen part, but the motor is from a Citreon for about £80.

The only difference is that you have to swap the front casting bracket over, a couple of screws, job done.
 

esprits4s

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Well, my car is back on the road with a functioning AC. I ended up replacing the compressor and wanted to follow up on this thread with some info for anyone else who may consider tackling this job.

First, I'd like to thank Mathew (Wicked1) (as well as Josh (ECS) and Eddie (Azzuro Corsa Motorsports) here in the US) for responding to my PMs regarding this job. It's great to have professional Maserati specialists who actively participate on the forums and are willing to help someone who is unlikely to ever be one of their direct customers due to distance. Thanks again!

Originally, I intended to fully document the procedure and post with pictures. However, I found this writeup (by JAGPURR, thanks!!) on removing the exhaust manifold in the Technical Fixes forum(4200 Exhaust Manifold Removal). This is a great writeup and I couldn't see much point in trying to replicate his work. In addition, there is at least one version of the service notes available (thanks again!) which has instructions for replacing the starter which is located above the AC compressor and requires a very similar procedure to access.

Regarding my original question about removing the compressor, the recommended procedure is to raise the engine and remove the driver's side exhaust manifold in order to access the AC compressor. I suggest following this recommendation. I do believe that it may be possible to replace the compressor without lifting the engine and completely removing the manifold, but it would be very difficult. I say this because I was able to remove the compressor without lifting the engine. I unmounted the AC compressor and then removed the exhaust manifold studs and pulled it from the block but didn't remove if completely. This allowed me to remove the AC compressor. The problem came in the reassembly. It was very difficult to secure the AC lines and the compressor mount bolts. After trying, I decided to go ahead and follow the recommended procedure to make sure that the compressor was properly installed and nothing (especially the manifold) was damaged.

In order to remove the exhaust manifold the following high level steps are required (My car is LHD so adjust drivers/passenger side as necessary for RHD):

-Remove intake hose and air flow sensor

-Remove the secondary air valve (Note the two gaskets which should be replaced)

-Loosen the driver's side catalytic converter pipe and slide towards rear of the car to free up that end of the exhaust manifold

-Repeat for the passenger side. This step is probably not required since you are not pulling the passenger side manifold. However, I did as a precaution for lifting the engine.

-Remove the exhaust manifold studs and free the manifold. Some of these (especially those nearer the firewall) are more easily accessed from under the car. This required a great deal of patience as some of the studs are difficult to see and reach. I suspect this becomes easier with practice, but I hope to never reach that level of skill (read practice).;) Note the four manifold gaskets which should be replaced when reinstalling the manifold.

-Free the engine mount bolts

-Lift the engine. Those three words are fairly loaded. I didn't see an easy way to lift the engine from the top. The service notes suggest jacking the engine up from the bottom and supply this picture:

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I used a transmission jack and a block of wood.


-Remove the exhaust manifold. The service notes indicate that this may be a two person job with one person pushing the raised engine to the side in order for the other person to then remove the manifold. I didn't find this necessary.

At this point, the AC compressor is easy to access. Here's a picture of the compressor installed with the manifold and heat shield removed:

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Installation is the reverse of above. Servicing the ac system (removing/adding freon, pulling a vacuum, ...) is very straight forward and no different from any other R134 system.

Overall, I wouldn't say that this job is particularly hard, but it requires time and patience. I was told that book time is about eight hours. It took me much longer, but I tend to really take my time and spread the work over multiple days as time permits.
 
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