Advice Please - Notice of Intended Prosecution - M1 Southbound Midnight - Variable Speed Limit

[D Walker]

Been saying it for years, the tech is there, they don't need speed cameras, they could make our cars do the speeds transmitted and picked up by sensors in cars, will it ever happen, no chance, why would they close down a revenue stream.

 

[hoyin]

Sorry to hear about your woes.

I have done two speed awareness courses. My first was when you actually had to go to the county where you got caught and you couldn’t do one near you.

That was a bummer!!!

You should ask for confirmation on the last time they had serviced the camera. Apparently there is some rule on how often they need to be serviced to confirm their accuracy.

It is how my first offence was refunded to me.


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[alfatwo]

Just take it on chin mate and move on, we've all been there...

And keep your speed down!

Dave

 

[rockits]

Just take it on chin mate and move on, we've all been there...

And keep your speed down!

Dave

Or learn how to jump on the brakes sharply when a variable speed limit suddenly changes to a lower speed.

 

[maverick]

Some insurance companies ask if you've been on an awareness course but they cannot charge you anymore if yiu have been on one. Admiral ask but I did an awareness course this week and they told me it is illegal to charge you anymore if you have carried one out.

On the point of the incident I think you'll just have to pay up and take the points or course, I know things can get confusing but it's the same for all of us.

On the point of the middle lane driving I'm afraid there is NO excuse for that no matter what is on the inside/outisde lane. If you dont feel confident driving on the inside lane then pull away from the cones a little and straddle the white line a little but middle lane hoggers boil my urine. I cannot believe how bad the UK drivers have got at motorway driving. If you sit back and look at how our motorways work then the norm now is for the inside lane to be reasonably free of traffic thses days and the overtaking lane jammed full of traffic that is trying to get past the middle lane hoggers. End of rant.

Ref insurance ; A speed awareness course is not a punishment it’s suppose to be exactly what it states it is a awareness course . So technally your insurance should be cheaper it’s a form of training . You don’t have to be caught by a speed camera to go on a course you can just book to go on one of you chose . Funny how the insurance company’s don’t see it that way !!!!

 

[Nibby]

I remember getting an endorsement(who remembers them before points?) at 14, put on my Provisional Licence when I reached 16 and , my heinous crime was being on the back of an older mate's moped whilst he still only held a Provisional licence.lol
Going back to the speed cameras, I was thinking back and trying to put a date on when this money making scam came into play big time and I reckon the mid 90s , not to mention all the other money traps in places like London now with box junctions and straying into bus lanes with one wheel going over the white line.

 

[BuckRog64]

Like others this makes me so angry.

My sister is quite possibly the slowest driver on the road in her Focus. She had got off the gas as she approached a fixed 30mph sign and the plod stepped out from behind the sign and prosecuted her for doing 34mph. Few more yards and she would have been down to 30. Surely the point of speed limits is for safety but expecting all traffic to hit the anchors as fixed or temporary speed limit signs are approached is surely going to cause accidents.

 

[lifes2short]

What really grinds my teeth is that the true nutter drivers never get caught and it's mainly the careful law abiding indiscriminate driver that gets caught out for merely wondering a tad over the limit, I often get the yobs in their trash cans overtaking me in a 30mph roads

 

[Slowly]

It's a racket, legalised robbery, buy diesel they said a few years back and who is paying now? Don't trust the shower of sh1te now, not ever. I think the Country needs another Oliver Cromwell.

Whether Cromwell's methods (like Colonel Kurtz's) were justified in the context of his time is still a topic of debate.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-hero-or-a-genocidal-war-criminal-917996.html

On balance, I would prefer being fined for speeding than a return of Cromwellian solutions!

 

[Wack61]

There's a statue of Oliver Cromwell in Warrington, I read last week when the queen came to Warrington in the 50s they moved it so as not to upset her, that's the problem with the British , we just take the **** that's offered us by whoever is in power, the last actual civil unrest I can recall was the poll tax riots, to be fair though they did get rid of the poll tax

The managed motorway riots of 2019 what'll that be some reps in BMWs throwing eggs, not on the suit,not on the suit

 

[Lozzer]

Whether Cromwell's methods (like Colonel Kurtz's) were justified in the context of his time is still a topic of debate.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-hero-or-a-genocidal-war-criminal-917996.html

On balance, I would prefer being fined for speeding than a return of Cromwellian solutions!

That wholly depends on where you stand in society, me, I would rather take it.

 

[MrMickS]

Meh. It’s not like we don’t know the rules. Speeding is a calculated risk.

If you get caught then the anger should be directed against yourself for getting caught rather than the posted limits.

I see people every day lift off and coast approaching 30 limits, then brake once they are past the sign. These are usually the same people that brake for each and every corner or when they see oncoming traffic. As far as I’m aware the sign doesn’t give the start of a slowing zone you’re supposed to be at the limit when you pass it.

 

[rockits]

Meh. It’s not like we don’t know the rules. Speeding is a calculated risk.

If you get caught then the anger should be directed against yourself for getting caught rather than the posted limits.

I see people every day lift off and coast approaching 30 limits, then brake once they are past the sign. These are usually the same people that brake for each and every corner or when they see oncoming traffic. As far as I’m aware the sign doesn’t give the start of a slowing zone you’re supposed to be at the limit when you pass it.

I take it you have never been caught speeding?

I've been caught once when I was young & less wise at 17. I don't advocate speeding & fully support the concept of speed limits. In the main they are there for a reason. The problem for me is that reason seems to be changing. It used to be & should be for safety and is perveyed that way. Don't purvey it as for safety when it clearly isn't & is a stealth tax.

I agree 100% with 20mph limits near schools etc. & have been doing less than 30mph myself when I feel it is applicable for years prior to this. However I disagree with blanket 20mph limits for no good reason other than as a stealth tax.

It is all about honesty, clarity & transparency which are three words that seem be lacking or wholly missing from much of our recent & current govts vocabularies.

I'm not trying to speed here just trying to work out what speed I'm supposed to be doing & stick to it. I'd prefer 50 miles of 40 or 50 mph fixed with average speed cameras rather than lots of constant variations of 40/50/60/NSL. At least you can pop the cruise on at a fixed speed and have one less issue to worry about or concentrate on.

 

[zagatoes30]

There's a statue of Oliver Cromwell in Warrington, I read last week when the queen came to Warrington in the 50s they moved it so as not to upset her,

I thought Warrington got the Town Hall gates and the statue as a job lot based on the fact that the gates were originally for some royal residence and the queen, I thought Victoria, took offence at the OC statue set behind them and ordered both to be removed, might just be an urban myth or b0ll0cks made up by my Dad.

As far as the speeding ticket, just take the awareness course and move on

 

[MrMickS]

I take it you have never been caught speeding?

I've been caught once when I was young & less wise at 17. I don't advocate speeding & fully support the concept of speed limits. In the main they are there for a reason. The problem for me is that reason seems to be changing. It used to be & should be for safety and is perveyed that way. Don't purvey it as for safety when it clearly isn't & is a stealth tax.

I agree 100% with 20mph limits near schools etc. & have been doing less than 30mph myself when I feel it is applicable for years prior to this. However I disagree with blanket 20mph limits for no good reason other than as a stealth tax.

It is all about honesty, clarity & transparency which are three words that seem be lacking or wholly missing from much of our recent & current govts vocabularies.

I'm not trying to speed here just trying to work out what speed I'm supposed to be doing & stick to it. I'd prefer 50 miles of 40 or 50 mph fixed with average speed cameras rather than lots of constant variations of 40/50/60/NSL. At least you can pop the cruise on at a fixed speed and have one less issue to worry about or concentrate on.

I was caught speeding twice in 4 months in the same car, along the same route, around 19 years ago. The first one I was charged with not braking before passing a 30 sign. Couldn't complain as he overlooked the speed along the M65 from Rishton to Colne, which was always below 100, and he'd followed me the whole way.

I've been in a car, doing 25-30, that hit a child that ran from between parked cars. I've also hit another child that ran out into the road as I was accelerating away from some lights. In both case the child rolled over the car, was shocked, bruised, but otherwise uninjured. To say that they left a lasting impression would understate things somewhat.

Why is there this thought that speed limits are a stealth tax? If they were then they wouldn't spend 1000's put up signage and other measures. There are some inconsistencies in speed limits, a whole bunch of roads around there that go 40/NSL/40 within a few hundred yards, why they don't make that 40 the whole way along I've no idea. It has happened on one road recently and does make more sense tbh. The time difference for the journey because of it would be under 20s regardless of how heavily you accelerated.

As a final comment perhaps it wouldn't be as bad if people stuck to the limit? The village I used to live in had a 20 limit outside the local school. Some how, despite no one being behind me when I entered it, I almost always had a queue of traffic behind me when I left it. Including some that lived in the adjacent roads. If people can't be trusted not to speed outside a school, why should they be surprised if government doesn't trust them to drive at an appropriate speed elsewhere?

 

[Corranga]

Meh. It’s not like we don’t know the rules. Speeding is a calculated risk.

If you get caught then the anger should be directed against yourself for getting caught rather than the posted limits.

I see people every day lift off and coast approaching 30 limits, then brake once they are past the sign. These are usually the same people that brake for each and every corner or when they see oncoming traffic. As far as I’m aware the sign doesn’t give the start of a slowing zone you’re supposed to be at the limit when you pass it.

Of course you are right, but with these new 'smart motorways' it wouldn't take much to include signage that DOES indicate a slowing zone. It would make roads safer by allowing drivers to be more proactive, having more time to plan. We already have the 300 yard markers for roundabouts and entering villages at 30, why not use the /// on smart motorway signs too.

I'm not trying to speed here just trying to work out what speed I'm supposed to be doing & stick to it. I'd prefer 50 miles of 40 or 50 mph fixed with average speed cameras rather than lots of constant variations of 40/50/60/NSL. At least you can pop the cruise on at a fixed speed and have one less issue to worry about or concentrate on.

I also see nothing smart about varying it up and down in the middle of a section that leads to congestion or works.
Tapering off the limit NLS, 60, 50, 40 and then tapering it back up to NSL makes sense, but putting it up and down in the middle is just stupid, and more likely to cause problems.

I was caught speeding twice in 4 months in the same car, along the same route, around 19 years ago. The first one I was charged with not braking before passing a 30 sign. Couldn't complain as he overlooked the speed along the M65 from Rishton to Colne, which was always below 100, and he'd followed me the whole way.

Why is there this thought that speed limits are a stealth tax? If they were then they wouldn't spend 1000's put up signage and other measures. There are some inconsistencies in speed limits, a whole bunch of roads around there that go 40/NSL/40 within a few hundred yards, why they don't make that 40 the whole way along I've no idea. It has happened on one road recently and does make more sense tbh. The time difference for the journey because of it would be under 20s regardless of how heavily you accelerated.

...and this is part of the problem with the mechanised crime detection. In your example, you were fined for 1 thing whilst another was overlooked. With the monetisation, I mean, mechanisation via speed cameras, you'd have likely had a stack of fines.
Inconsistencies in fixed speed limits is one thing, varying them almost at random on a road where the expectation is 70mph, and saying it's to improve safety and traffic flow is just stupidity, and does the opposite of what these things are supposed to achieve.

I've been in a car, doing 25-30, that hit a child that ran from between parked cars. I've also hit another child that ran out into the road as I was accelerating away from some lights. In both case the child rolled over the car, was shocked, bruised, but otherwise uninjured. To say that they left a lasting impression would understate things somewhat.

As a final comment perhaps it wouldn't be as bad if people stuck to the limit? The village I used to live in had a 20 limit outside the local school. Some how, despite no one being behind me when I entered it, I almost always had a queue of traffic behind me when I left it. Including some that lived in the adjacent roads. If people can't be trusted not to speed outside a school, why should they be surprised if government doesn't trust them to drive at an appropriate speed elsewhere?

They should come up with a system to limit or even ban traffic from outside schools in the morning, lunch time and evening which would also have the benefit of getting kids more active...

 

[Doohickey]

I was caught speeding twice in 4 months in the same car, along the same route, around 19 years ago. The first one I was charged with not braking before passing a 30 sign. Couldn't complain as he overlooked the speed along the M65 from Rishton to Colne, which was always below 100, and he'd followed me the whole way.

I've been in a car, doing 25-30, that hit a child that ran from between parked cars. I've also hit another child that ran out into the road as I was accelerating away from some lights. In both case the child rolled over the car, was shocked, bruised, but otherwise uninjured. To say that they left a lasting impression would understate things somewhat.

Why is there this thought that speed limits are a stealth tax? If they were then they wouldn't spend 1000's put up signage and other measures. There are some inconsistencies in speed limits, a whole bunch of roads around there that go 40/NSL/40 within a few hundred yards, why they don't make that 40 the whole way along I've no idea. It has happened on one road recently and does make more sense tbh. The time difference for the journey because of it would be under 20s regardless of how heavily you accelerated.

As a final comment perhaps it wouldn't be as bad if people stuck to the limit? The village I used to live in had a 20 limit outside the local school. Some how, despite no one being behind me when I entered it, I almost always had a queue of traffic behind me when I left it. Including some that lived in the adjacent roads. If people can't be trusted not to speed outside a school, why should they be surprised if government doesn't trust them to drive at an appropriate speed elsewhere?

I got done doing 81 in a 70 on the A19 in North Yorkshire on a sunny Saturday evening in June a couple of years ago which definitely felt like money making.

However, having done the SAC it really brings home the need to adhere to the speed limits in urban areas. I have to pass a school where the limit is 20 on my commute every day and the number of people who speed through there is unbelievable especially considering the size of the speed bumps installed. I've even been overtaken when I've been sticking to the limit.

 

[MrMickS]

Of course you are right, but with these new 'smart motorways' it wouldn't take much to include signage that DOES indicate a slowing zone. It would make roads safer by allowing drivers to be more proactive, having more time to plan. We already have the 300 yard markers for roundabouts and entering villages at 30, why not use the /// on smart motorway signs too.



I also see nothing smart about varying it up and down in the middle of a section that leads to congestion or works.
Tapering off the limit NLS, 60, 50, 40 and then tapering it back up to NSL makes sense, but putting it up and down in the middle is just stupid, and more likely to cause problems.




...and this is part of the problem with the mechanised crime detection. In your example, you were fined for 1 thing whilst another was overlooked. With the monetisation, I mean, mechanisation via speed cameras, you'd have likely had a stack of fines.
Inconsistencies in fixed speed limits is one thing, varying them almost at random on a road where the expectation is 70mph, and saying it's to improve safety and traffic flow is just stupidity, and does the opposite of what these things are supposed to achieve.



They should come up with a system to limit or even ban traffic from outside schools in the morning, lunch time and evening which would also have the benefit of getting kids more active...

It would be great to ban the Chelsea tractor drop offs outside the schools.

Limiting, or banning, traffic in my former village though would effectively block the main road in and out of the village resulting in a 10 mile diversion. Probably not workable.

 

[Geo]

You have some good points there Chris (Corranga). Years ago, my kid was nearly killed on her way back from school. It was her fault, not the driver's who was abaying the speed limit at the time. I felt sorry for the guy and even offered to have the dent in his bonnet repaired, but he insisted that's what his insurance was for. What a gent!

 

[Wanderer]

I was late for my speed awareness course, walked in and said ‘sorry I’m late, had to drive like the clappers to get here...’

Didn’t get a laugh....

I did have the last laugh though, i’d just swapped my Alfa 166 for a Cadillac CTS (LPG!) and mentally had the Alfa’s MOT date in mind, and didn’t realise the caddy’s had run out. So drove there and back with no MOT.