Anyone have a 430 Fesser!

alfatwo

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Just been treated to 30 mins around the Silverstone Grand Prix circuit in one of these things for Christmas...

Apparently just scrapped though on the age and insurance stuff...and as I'll be the only pensioner there,I might get my mums old walking stick out for full effect :wink:

It's been over 20 years since I larged it around there, so any hints how to drive a 430!

Dave
 

voicey

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Yep - had mine for a while now. Put it into race mode and give it plenty of throttle on the apex - the electronic differential is an engineering masterpiece!
 

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Foot down and as voicey said the trick e diff will do the rest. You probably won't need it to be fair as you are an ex racer so just disable traction control and give it some boot :)
 

Phil the Brit

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Best car I have ever owned. The noise as you accelerate through 3000 rpm is wonderful. Use the paddles (if auto) and the changes are lightening fast.
 

Almichie

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If it's anything like the experience I had it'll be a manual car, and they sure as **** won't let you disable the stability and traction control!

Best thing to do is take a couple of twenties with you and try and bribe the instructor...!
 

voicey

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If it's the Silverstone car then it'll be this one which is F1. They wont let you switch to "CST off" but try and get them to allow you to put it into "Race" mode as it really transforms the car. 30 mins is actually quite a long time - enjoy!
 

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Great picture that on track with Trade Plates hope DVLA don't come across that picture !
 

Team GCR

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Great picture that on track with Trade Plates hope DVLA don't come across that picture !

I don't think that looks like Silverstone? Bruntingthorpe at a guess but not that much in the photo to go on, so I am guessing it was driven from Silverstone to Bruntingthorpe on Trade plates hence why they are fitted.
 

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Having had the opportunity to scrutinise the instructors' briefing notes for one of these Ferrari experiences and helped a driver I have managed through the process of becoming an ARDS Licensed Instructor these would be my tips for getting the most out of the experience.

Instructors will be of all ages from seasoned pros to young up and coming drivers. Remember even if your instructor 'looks like a child' he or she will be an experienced racing driver. He/she will as a minimum hold a National A Race License and that license must have at least 10 signatures from at least two different circuits before they can even apply to be an instructor.

Silverstone also prefer their instructors to have at least two seasons experience in a National level championship (i.e. club racing does not qualify).

The instructor will then have completed the ARDS instructors course and passed the assessment at the end (not everyone passes by any means). The circuit they are affiliated to will then recommend to the MSA that the instructor is granted a license and recommend the Grade of the License. Grades start at Grade D and run through C, B, A through to Grade S. A new instructor that does well in the assessment may skip Grade D, straight to Grade C but no higher and a Grade C License is the minimum requirement to actually instruct one to one on track.

The other thing to remember at Silverstone is that they operate a ZERO TOLERANCE policy with regard to spins and this applies to both the customers AND the instructors. Therefore your instructor will be ensuring you get nowhere near the point where this could happen.

The instructor will likely have instructed many customers of varying level of experience and or skill. They have a very short time to make a judgement on how quickly they think they should let you drive the car when it is your turn. If you make them nervous either by your attitude or the way you drive they will keep your speed down as they will firstly have regard for your and their own safety and remember if they let you overdrive and it all goes wrong their job is also on the line.

I would suggest not getting in the car with the attitude 'I'll show them what I can do' rather listen to them and build up slowly giving them confidence that you are listening to them and so they can also decide whether or not they 'trust' your driving.

To give you an example of how much you should measure your own driving keep this in mind; When they give you the fast passenger lap at the end of the experience they are instructed to drive at 7/10 ths and their brief is "The lap should be driven to demonstrate a smooth, controlled high-speed technique and NOT the ultimate ability of the instructor."

Whilst all this might seem to some downbeat the instructors are also briefed that they should ensure the customer does not feel 'short changed' so they will be doing everything they can to ensure you enjoy the experience without compromising your safety or their continued employment.

HTH Robin
 

Phil the Brit

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Having had the opportunity to scrutinise the instructors' briefing notes for one of these Ferrari experiences and helped a driver I have managed through the process of becoming an ARDS Licensed Instructor these would be my tips for getting the most out of the experience.

Instructors will be of all ages from seasoned pros to young up and coming drivers. Remember even if your instructor 'looks like a child' he or she will be an experienced racing driver. He/she will as a minimum hold a National A Race License and that license must have at least 10 signatures from at least two different circuits before they can even apply to be an instructor.

Silverstone also prefer their instructors to have at least two seasons experience in a National level championship (i.e. club racing does not qualify).

The instructor will then have completed the ARDS instructors course and passed the assessment at the end (not everyone passes by any means). The circuit they are affiliated to will then recommend to the MSA that the instructor is granted a license and recommend the Grade of the License. Grades start at Grade D and run through C, B, A through to Grade S. A new instructor that does well in the assessment may skip Grade D, straight to Grade C but no higher and a Grade C License is the minimum requirement to actually instruct one to one on track.

The other thing to remember at Silverstone is that they operate a ZERO TOLERANCE policy with regard to spins and this applies to both the customers AND the instructors. Therefore your instructor will be ensuring you get nowhere near the point where this could happen.

The instructor will likely have instructed many customers of varying level of experience and or skill. They have a very short time to make a judgement on how quickly they think they should let you drive the car when it is your turn. If you make them nervous either by your attitude or the way you drive they will keep your speed down as they will firstly have regard for your and their own safety and remember if they let you overdrive and it all goes wrong their job is also on the line.

I would suggest not getting in the car with the attitude 'I'll show them what I can do' rather listen to them and build up slowly giving them confidence that you are listening to them and so they can also decide whether or not they 'trust' your driving.

To give you an example of how much you should measure your own driving keep this in mind; When they give you the fast passenger lap at the end of the experience they are instructed to drive at 7/10 ths and their brief is "The lap should be driven to demonstrate a smooth, controlled high-speed technique and NOT the ultimate ability of the instructor."

Whilst all this might seem to some downbeat the instructors are also briefed that they should ensure the customer does not feel 'short changed' so they will be doing everything they can to ensure you enjoy the experience without compromising your safety or their continued employment.

HTH Robin
Exactlky right, that is how I used to treat the customers, weigh up their abilities in the first two laps.
 

Almichie

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I agree, when I got to the last car on my session last year I'd built up plenty of confidence in the track and the instructor really helped me get the most out of the car and track. The 996 gt3 was an absolute hoot around the track to the point it made me consider swapping the mas for one plus has the added bonus of having no driver aids....
 

stefanocirillo

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Great points above. I have done many track days in my own cars and in supercars. The last one i did i drove an ariel atom (the most insane experience ever btw) and an LP640. Before my first run they asked my experience. I said i had done many amateur track days, been to Spa twice etc etc but that i was really willing to listen and get some pointers. Immediately i started on the right foot with the instructor and after a very short perior of time he really let me run it hard. When it came into jumping into the Lambo he had no issues at all letting me go very quickly - although that may be because vs the atom it was like riding a bicycle!