Remap of my QPV

drewf

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My good friend Tim has been badgering me for some time to allow him to remap my QP, so after quite a few months diaries finally aligned and the day was set. Yesterday...

To ensure I had a baseline of the performance, I took some stopwatch timings on a straight, flat section of tarmac (let's say it was the runway where we keep the aircraft, to avoid anybody worrying about the danger...), knowing that I could repeat the readings post-remap and see what changed (if anything). I don't know what the exact distance between the fixed points was (about 1km), but it's the same for both sets so doesn't really matter.

Measurements as standard (just me in the car, full tank of fuel, spare wheel and tools in the boot) :

0..100mph 13.2s
60..100mph 6.8s
Time between fixed points: 21.0s

The car turned out to be producing 403bhp before we touched it, so was clearly an engine 'running well' :)
Torque figure was 338lbft.

Now, I have no idea if those figures are real, but they are a measure of what the machine could see, and provide a baseline against what the same machine could see later with the same settings.

The upgrade was not without some trial and error, mostly on the 'how can we get round the blocking features' thoughtfully installed by the factory. That proved to be extremely easy in reality, but meant removing the ECU from the car - the ECU is according to the chaps the same as that used by VW on the R32. It's a Bosch unit, and common to many cars. The original map was downloaded and investigated. Given the vast experience they have with this particular ECU, it didn't take very long to work out what needed to be changed, particularly when compared to a Ferrari map for what we know is essentially the same engine. The main reason for doing this was to increase the responsiveness of the engine, and to release more power by allowing more airflow and a corrected fuel ratio. Interestingly, Maserati have set the engine to run very rich, much richer than the Ferrari system. The rev limit remained unchanged - I don't drive it bouncing of the limiter, so could see no reason to allow even higher rpm and risk damaging the engine that way.

During this visit, the gearbox ECU remained untouched - we ran out of time to do that as well as the engine.

A few test drives on the roads showed the upgraded car to be much more responsive to the throttle, apparently quicker (it certainly felt faster), and had a much harder edge to the engine note under load. Nice noise :)
I drove the 150 miles home at varying speeds as requested, checking all the modes still worked without any issues. No problems.

So... the current figures:

0..100mph 12.4s
60..100mph 6.1s
Time between fixed points: 19.2s

Peak power 431bhp
Torque 357lbft.


That's a 28bhp increase, or 7% which seems realistic to me. There's not a lot left to come from it though without spending thousands on a new exhaust and induction systems. The map may well be tweaked after I've driven it a bit, and particularly with Brunty coming up to use as a test bed...

After that, the same remap will be available to SM members for £400.
 

drewf

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Quite - I've only just managed to sneak in the time to sort it before Brunty - ideal really :)



You already have the address by PM...

The supercharged Audi R8 is worth seeing :)


Matt - can I name the company here?
 

Michael

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My good friend Tim has been badgering me for some time to allow him to remap my QP, so after quite a few months diaries finally aligned and the day was set. Yesterday...

To ensure I had a baseline of the performance, I took some stopwatch timings on a straight, flat section of tarmac (let's say it was the runway where we keep the aircraft, to avoid anybody worrying about the danger...), knowing that I could repeat the readings post-remap and see what changed (if anything). I don't know what the exact distance between the fixed points was (about 1km), but it's the same for both sets so doesn't really matter.

Measurements as standard (just me in the car, full tank of fuel, spare wheel and tools in the boot) :

0..100mph 13.2s
60..100mph 6.8s
Time between fixed points: 21.0s

The car turned out to be producing 403bhp before we touched it, so was clearly an engine 'running well' :)
Torque figure was 338lbft.

Now, I have no idea if those figures are real, but they are a measure of what the machine could see, and provide a baseline against what the same machine could see later with the same settings.

The upgrade was not without some trial and error, mostly on the 'how can we get round the blocking features' thoughtfully installed by the factory. That proved to be extremely easy in reality, but meant removing the ECU from the car - the ECU is according to the chaps the same as that used by VW on the R32. It's a Bosch unit, and common to many cars. The original map was downloaded and investigated. Given the vast experience they have with this particular ECU, it didn't take very long to work out what needed to be changed, particularly when compared to a Ferrari map for what we know is essentially the same engine. The main reason for doing this was to increase the responsiveness of the engine, and to release more power by allowing more airflow and a corrected fuel ratio. Interestingly, Maserati have set the engine to run very rich, much richer than the Ferrari system. The rev limit remained unchanged - I don't drive it bouncing of the limiter, so could see no reason to allow even higher rpm and risk damaging the engine that way.

During this visit, the gearbox ECU remained untouched - we ran out of time to do that as well as the engine.

A few test drives on the roads showed the upgraded car to be much more responsive to the throttle, apparently quicker (it certainly felt faster), and had a much harder edge to the engine note under load. Nice noise :)
I drove the 150 miles home at varying speeds as requested, checking all the modes still worked without any issues. No problems.

So... the current figures:

0..100mph 12.4s
60..100mph 6.1s
Time between fixed points: 19.2s

Peak power 431bhp
Torque 357lbft.


That's a 28bhp increase, or 7% which seems realistic to me. There's not a lot left to come from it though without spending thousands on a new exhaust and induction systems. The map may well be tweaked after I've driven it a bit, and particularly with Brunty coming up to use as a test bed...

After that, the same remap will be available to SM members for £400.

Hi Drewf,

Would this be the same for a GT 4.2? I think our cars share the same engine?

Thanks.

Michael
 

outrun

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I'd be interested in this for my grigio GS too. I already have Larinis etc so a decent map and high octane fuel should unleash a few ponies. Please PM me the details Drew or post if Matt allows.

Ta
 

drewf

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Hi Drewf,

Would this be the same for a GT 4.2? I think our cars share the same engine?

Thanks.

Michael

Yes, I think the QP and GT 4.2 are substantially the same in many areas, not just the engine.

I'd be interested in this for my grigio GS too. I already have Larinis etc so a decent map and high octane fuel should unleash a few ponies. Please PM me the details Drew or post if Matt allows.

Ta

PM sent...
 

Mr.Cambio

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Drew...is this remap on rolling road, or can someone sent the ecu for a reflash? In that case, may the larini section get included?
 

drewf

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They can do the ECU reflash on a bench without the car, so yes you could send it in. As far as I understand it, having a free-flowing exhaust will simply allow the modeled air-pump to work more effectively, so to some extent it doesn't matter what the exhaust system is. The engine ECU is concerned with getting the air/fuel mixture right against throttle pedal position.
 

CC4200

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Is it worth getting the throttle checked before ? These are prone to wear ?


Paul
 

JonnyCJ

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Is this plug and play ? Ie can they pop a chip in the post ? If it's a standard chip would there be any need to send the existing one or can they copy the whole map over ?
 

MAF260

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Sounds good and very realistic in terms of the % improvement. Looking forward to seeing her in action on Saturday.
 

drewf

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Is this plug and play ? Ie can they pop a chip in the post ? If it's a standard chip would there be any need to send the existing one or can they copy the whole map over ?

Not plug and play - the chip is soldered onto the board, so not a simple swap. They take the whole ECU out of the car and flash the chip in-situ. I've confirmed you can send the whole ECU and get it back in the post - plenty of outfits work this way, from the adverts I've seen.
 

drewf

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Sounds good and very realistic in terms of the % improvement. Looking forward to seeing her in action on Saturday.

Looking forward to playing with it on a track myself :)

I was under no illusions that vast power increases were ever likely, but it was also pretty clear that some improvement was probable. Certainly less than 10%, and nearer 5% is highly realistic in my view.
 

midlifecrisis

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If the ECU was originally set-up to run the engine rich, has the fuel consumption improved (more mpg) by remapping the it to run leaner?