General Election

For the first election ever I struggled with who to vote for.
I have always been to the right of centre- but seeing what the conservatives have done to the NHS first hand has made me rethink. Purely on tax grounds I couldn't vote for Corbyn- I would be waving goodbye to my Italian car allowance

iainw said:

For the first election ever I struggled with who to vote for.
I have always been to the right of centre- but seeing what the conservatives have done to the NHS first hand has made me rethink. Purely on tax grounds I couldn't vote for Corbyn- I would be waving goodbye to my Italian car allowance

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Isn't this the problem. If you want the NHS to survive and education then sacrifices need to be made.

So higher tax payers need to pay more.

Unfortunately you can't have both low tax and well funded systems.

So for the greater good you need to make sacrifices. I personally have no problem with being taxed more if we see a benefit and the systems are made more efficient so the extra money is not wasted.

I think generally people are thinking too much about just themselves and not about society as a whole.


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Didn't he say he was going rIse the tax on private health care to also fund the NHS....What a stupid thing to do.....You would get some cancelling private health care and going back to the NHS instead so just adding to the problem....These idiots make comments without thinking about what they are saying......

Problem with Labour is that they want to take from the rich and give to the poor...I am all for sharing but I started working life as a picker in a warehouse on **** money and over the years have worked my way to the position I am in now.....I chose to better myself but his policy would make me think what's the point as I'm better off getting to a certain level and staying there as it ain't worth it.....Everyone had a choice in life and the opportunities are there but under labour you may as well not bother......listening to them now I really couldn't see this changing.........Now look what I've done get involved and I said I wouldn't.......Right we're Autotrader let's look at cars....

The issue with the NHS is that it is a bottomless pit which you can shovel as much money into it as you like but it just gets bigger.

It is a wonderful service but unless there is a change to what it is is there for we will just keep feeding the machine.

For me the NHS is too big & needs to be broken into smaller entities. It is/was Europe's biggest employer & is too much of a dinosaur & inefficient. I mean mainly by way of much work is done that is not cost effective or good deals are not negotiated well enough.

We just did some network data cabling work for a contractor in an NHS hospital. They loved what we did & couldn't believe how much more cost effective our price was compared to others or what they were used to paying. They have been doing work there for 5 years.

I priced this fair with a decent enough margin but nothing silly. I was told it could have been twice the price & that would have been more than fine. There must be much work going on that could be done cheaper. The answer isn't always to throw more money at it. Sometimes it is to make the existing money work harder/better.

Alternatively we could charge more then pay higher taxes to get the same result effectively.

Dean,
Re the NHS you are correct, also there is a lot of corruption, I know a buyer who did a deal on gloves, a huge saving, however, he was told in no uncertain terms to continue with the existing supplier.......
Wonder why.......

safrane said:

The issue with the NHS is that it is a bottomless pit which you can shovel as much money into it as you like but it just gets bigger.

It is a wonderful service but unless there is a change to what it is is there for we will just keep feeding the machine.

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Regardless of efficiencies in contracting and negotiating, which certainly have a place, the bottom line is threeold; firstly we have an exploding population of elderly patients with multiple co-existent chronic diseases, on a multitude of medications, secondly the provision of social care (whether in the home or in a Home) is inadequate - 25% of inpatients in our large acute hospital have a degree of dementia. We now live a lot longer but a significant proportion of that extra is a frail or ill dependent (expensive) life. Thirdly, medical advances mean many expensive treatments are now available, whether they are joint replacements or new cancer drugs. Some of the latter are eye-wateringly expensive (up to £100k p.a). A few can cure, most provide some months of life extension. So, soaring demand and potentially almost unlimited cost; the only solution is rationing or charging the patient but those are politically unacceptable as we saw last week.

We, as a country, seem to waste so much meddling in others affairs, and sending huge donations to countries that do not need it. We should put our own house in order first before we throw money around, disguised as something else, trying to gain business. That could be construed as a bribe and we are back to corruption as mentioned in Daves post. It seemed I was having to vote for the lesser of two,or more, evils this time round.

The problem is...well not a problem for me or my problem....is I'm too honest. Many aren't and are corrupt or don't do their job very well or to the best of their abilities. Many are good & honest but I suspect this is a minority.

I once was 'influenced' as an IT Manager maybe 20 years ago & made a decision that wasn't best for the company based on my lack of knowledge at the time but mainly because I selfishly wanted to see/learn a product. I haven't been 'influenced' by anything including money since & this is a firm & strong moral position & ethic of mine now. Money is always secondary & the job gets done to what I think is right to the best skills/knowledge & ability I have. Many are driven by money primarily & therefore greed is not good in that regard for me.

Well best get it out there I actually like Corbyn, he reminds me of those old socialist teachers we used to have in school. Absolutely resolute in their views, happy to defend their arguement to the hilt and argue and debate until the cows came home (well actually normally until the pub closed), they were bright, engaging but totally wrong, If they had their way we would all be leaving in a socialist utopia where everyone gave up everything for somebody else, where everyone would be equal and there would be no trouble or strife.

I like to listen to people who engage, Tony Benn, Jeremy Corbyn, Billy Bragg - I love the sounds but they can keep their politics

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Did Labour win the election ? You'd think Corbyn had just run the best campaign in history. While May ran probably the worst campaign in decades and showed herself to be a totally clueless leader Corbyn still couldn't get his party across the line. Hehehehe.....

outrun said:

I completely agree but being so direct wasn't in keeping with my off the cuff response! I could never vote for him because he is clearly so left that he is bigoted. I have no place for that in my world and there should be no case for it in anyone's world. he proved it with his terrible handling of the various allegations of antisemitism over the past couple of years and with his failure, as you mention, to directly tackle the history books on his attendance at various events. It's odd that the far left can't see that it's just as racist as the far right, only with differing justifications for it. I will never vote for Labour while there remains a chance of him being PM or a senior cabinet minister. Hence why I hope to see a move to a more centre left Labour that deals with the radicals properly and still puts the needs of those less fortunate to the forefront of party politics. I'll still vote LibDem though if they have a decent bunch and good policies !!

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Apologies for coming across a tad blunt, it certainly wasn't my intention! It just gets under my skin I'm afraid, I try not to let it but there's an underlying shiftiness to Corbyn (even more so with McDonnell) which I can't stomach. For a start, they're both hypocrites, Corbyn still doesn't consider himself to be wealthy despite being paid almost twice the amount he considers everyone else to be wealthy and looking forward to a pension pot of around £3m, while McDonnell hates the privately educated but had a private education himself, which he has tried to deny in the past. He's also denied being a Marxist, which is a lie. At work I regularly have the 'Corbyn is the new messiah' mantra BS shoved down my throat by union bods who are paid a similar amount to their beloved Jezza, for me though it just doesn't wash, I can make my own mind up ta very much. Despite the woeful effort from the Tories this time round, Labour have still lost three elections in a row.

Ah well, onwards...!

The fact that Labour consider this election a win for them even though they still came second says it all.

It never takes long for the short film funnies to come out.

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