'Totting Points' Ban

CatmanV2

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Would've preferred a speeding ticket - that would've meant I stopped before the corner :D Catman will know it - Hollycross Rd at the end of the conker straight. Steering just lightens a touch - as it turned out a touch too much. Cue the AC/DC.

They do that, though.

Once we've done AC/DC perhaps you could segue into Passenger by Iggy Pop?

C
 

D Walker

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That's neat! What alarms me is that for some reason I can remember both my driving license number and NI number. Still, it's a nice reminder of all the fun things I'm allowed to drive.

Do you need them??? lol...

I've never had any points / fines etc.......yet!!
 

allandwf

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I've had a few points over the years. Just take them and move on. It's wrong that an expensive lawyer should be able to find an escape route on a technicality. I used to do 40,000 miles per year, points were sort of an occupational hazard, when you got 6 or 9 it highlighted your driving and you drove accordingly. Yes I'm sure we all speed at times, but your car has a speedo and we all have the ability to control it.
 

midlifecrisis

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:D

That pedal seems to work fine - just can't get out of first gear though

Actually, paid my dues many years ago. My Alfa Sud got the better of me one bright sunny day - seems they don't always corner like they're on railway lines. Oooops!
Wrong kind of snow on those lines? Lol
 
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Many years ago, a friend of mine who got banned persuaded his company to relocate him to Ireland, where the UK ban, apparently, didn't count. He worked (and drove) there for a couple of years and then came back to the UK. Probably not an solution these days as the ban probably applies throughout the EU.

Yup, that's changed already, or the change is in the works. In that UK and Irish disqualifications will apply in each others jurisdictions. Reciprocal arrangements between the UK and other EU states, I'm less sure about, but I suspect that's planned also.
 

iainw

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Never seen that before

You have
0 current penalty points

Iainw tell your friend to take the bus to court, I knew a guy that went to court in an 18 tonne truck not expecting to get banned under totting up as he'd lose his business , it caused a bit of a problem in the court car park when he couldn't drive it home

I will tell him to take a bus and park it across the exit. :D
Mind boggling how strict they seem to be on totting for SP30s but the system is so lenient on severe crimes
 

MarkMas

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Mind boggling how strict they seem to be on totting for SP30s but the system is so lenient on severe crimes
I think it is partly a hangover from the days before speed cameras. Back then, for four actual real coppers to spot you speeding over a couple of years would suggest that you were a massive speeder and needed a ban. Nowadays, for four cameras to get you is much more likely, almost routine, but the penalty is the same.
 

iainw

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I think it is partly a hangover from the days before speed cameras. Back then, for four actual real coppers to spot you speeding over a couple of years would suggest that you were a massive speeder and needed a ban. Nowadays, for four cameras to get you is much more likely, almost routine, but the penalty is the same.

Agree mate.
My personal opinion is they are too strict on minor speeding and it's just a revenue stream. Going after soft targets. All for banning drunk / dangerous drivers and people driving past schools fast.
But totting for doing 54 in a random 50 zone on a motorway with no ******* roadworks and average speed cameras whilst driving back from a hard day at work before you start your evening chores between traffic stops just ***** me off. I have six points for minor events in average speed zones on commutes when I hadn't even noticed. If I can't drive my fezza to work ever I am going to be one grumpy ********. Would sell both cars. Stop working so hard and just get a driver to take me to and fro work. Would probably end up being able to save more money- and then put a speed limiter in the resultant aventador.

Rant over
 

Scaf

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I have a notion that to make a case to keep your licence on 'exceptional hardship' grounds, you need to show the harm to other people, not yourself. Being the breadwinner might do it, but only if you can very clearly show the effects on other people.

Yeah, that's the case he is trying to make - but not easy.
Impact of him losing licence does affect his whole family from getting the kids to school to him keeping his job, ironic thing is that in magistrates they still banned him on the fact he is highly paid and could afford to get public transport - completely ignoring fact that he need licence to do his job so won't be highly paid if the ban sticks.

In his case it's simply totting up of "relatively " minor speeding 35 in a 30 / 46 in a 40 etc......

His firm have a precedent of dismissal for losing licence - further evidence of which will be submitted to Court in August - wil be interesting.
 

D Walker

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Yeah, that's the case he is trying to make - but not easy.
Impact of him losing licence does affect his whole family from getting the kids to school to him keeping his job, ironic thing is that in magistrates they still banned him on the fact he is highly paid and could afford to get public transport - completely ignoring fact that he need licence to do his job so won't be highly paid if the ban sticks.

In his case it's simply totting up of "relatively " minor speeding 35 in a 30 / 46 in a 40 etc......

His firm have a precedent of dismissal for losing licence - further evidence of which will be submitted to Court in August - wil be interesting.

Not here to judge, but if i were that close I would be like under the limit everywhere I went, and yes I am the same, need my licence....
 

CatmanV2

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Not here to judge, but if i were that close I would be like under the limit everywhere I went, and yes I am the same, need my licence....

I have to agree, I'm afraid. I really don't 'get' the 'hardship' defence.

But hey, each to their own.

C
 

Wack61

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Yeah, that's the case he is trying to make - but not easy

In his case it's simply totting up of "relatively " minor speeding 35 in a 30 / 46 in a 40 etc......

His firm have a precedent of dismissal for losing licence -

I know this is the friendliest forum on the internet but I'm going to be the one to say it ,this guy needs a break from driving , anyone that gets caught that often in built up areas is driving everywhere over the limit.

Hasn't he realised yet, he has all those points for no reason whatsoever because even though he thinks he's making progress all he's doing is getting to the next set of lights 20 seconds faster.

I worked as a courier for 25 years, in and out of unfamiliar towns on a daily basis, I've had a clean licence since 1996 because I don't speed in 30 & 40 limits.

Almost every day I drive through a village called Penketh , it has a dual carriageway 30mph about 2 miles long , many many cars overtake me, some doing 33 , some 40 and some dicks faster than that.

Occasionally the van is there so they get some points, almost without exception I'm sat behind them at the lights at the end of the dual carriageway , or the next set , or the set after that.

Someone who has 12 points has had their 4 chances, it should be as clear cut as drunk driving IMO, 4 strikes and you're out for 6 months, the fact he knows he's likely to lose his job as well is unbelievable.

I read about a guy that kept his licence because his disabled son would suffer , so this **** can keep speeding everywhere putting all our kids at risk but his will be fine in his car

It really pisses me off
 

iainw

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I have to agree, I'm afraid. I really don't 'get' the 'hardship' defence.

But hey, each to their own.

C

A colleague got off a ban on the basis he needed to drive to hospitals in a 100 mile radius for clinics to offer specialist services. No one else could offer them so patients would suffer. Obviously they don't give a **** about the individual or his life / job / family.
I dont agree with the others. I think its harsh for minor offences and it irks me other people getting off with much more serious crimes.
Pretty hard to drive like a saint all the time with life / work / timing /family stresses every day. So easy to not spot a sign change and be a few MPH over. In built up areas/ near schools etc - I totally agree its not on however. There is a big difference with 50 mph average speed zones on a motorway for no apparent reason.

It would be awful if that chap lost his job due to a totting points ban when child abusers and people who commit real crimes keep their jobs.

I wish I heard such vehement opposition to serious offenders than to totters
 

Scaf

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I know this is the friendliest forum on the internet but I'm going to be the one to say it ,this guy needs a break from driving , anyone that gets caught that often in built up areas is driving everywhere over the limit.

Hasn't he realised yet, he has all those points for no reason whatsoever because even though he thinks he's making progress all he's doing is getting to the next set of lights 20 seconds faster.

I worked as a courier for 25 years, in and out of unfamiliar towns on a daily basis, I've had a clean licence since 1996 because I don't speed in 30 & 40 limits.

Almost every day I drive through a village called Penketh , it has a dual carriageway 30mph about 2 miles long , many many cars overtake me, some doing 33 , some 40 and some dicks faster than that.

Occasionally the van is there so they get some points, almost without exception I'm sat behind them at the lights at the end of the dual carriageway , or the next set , or the set after that.

Someone who has 12 points has had their 4 chances, it should be as clear cut as drunk driving IMO, 4 strikes and you're out for 6 months, the fact he knows he's likely to lose his job as well is unbelievable.

I read about a guy that kept his licence because his disabled son would suffer , so this **** can keep speeding everywhere putting all our kids at risk but his will be fine in his car

It really pisses me off

And here endith the first lesson ...... spoken by a man who never speeds ........... ever
Don't get me wrong I am not defending speeding in built up areas, but am realistic enough to understand that
if you drive enough miles in areas you are not familiar with, the odds are against you. Not all 30 / 40 limits are as obviously built up
as you might think.
I don't believe anyone on here onanywhere else religiously sticks to all speed limits ...... and don't forget there are kids in the cars
on motorways and duel carriageways too so making a distinction between built up areasand others is just a cop out.
 

iainw

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And here endith the first lesson ...... spoken by a man who never speeds ........... ever ��
Don't get me wrong I am not defending speeding in built up areas, but am realistic enough to understand that
if you drive enough miles in areas you are not familiar with, the odds are against you. Not all 30 / 40 limits are as obviously built up
as you might think.
I don't believe anyone on here onanywhere else religiously sticks to all speed limits ...... and don't forget there are kids in the cars
on motorways and duel carriageways too so making a distinction between built up areasand others is just a cop out.

Totally agree
 

Wack61

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I didn't say I don't speed ever , just not in 30 and 40 areas, 60,000 miles a year driving to all areas of london and most cities in the UK and a clean licence V 12 points in 4 years wasn't it

You're very unlikely to get caught anywhere outside built up areas , especially if you're in the 21st century and use waze, there are more spped traps but there's also much more technology on your side, you just have to spend 30 seconds setting it every trip rather than trying to make it up between traffic lights
 

D Walker

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Got to love a thread that promotes "discussion", Been driving nearly 30 years, never had a fine or points, pulled over once on M1 doing 85, passed the Officer my MOD form 90 (Army ID) with my driving licence. He kept me 20 minutes and asked if it affected the time I got home, he said if there is traffic/ accident you will be home no later, and let me go. Years later I was fed up of travelling from Larkhill to Teeside, think its 280 miles, I used to fly out the gate at 1.30 on a Friday and basically speed everywhere I wasnt held up and sometimes get home at 8.30 to 10.30. One Friday I had to stay later to finish a repair, left at 4, home for 9=9.30, after that I used to wait every week....You dont get there any quicker,
As Wack61 says, I put waze on all time, even if just running so i can see speed, admittadly its a Fiat 500 so takes a day to reach the 70 limit......
 

Wack61

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An example of how ****** up our towns are , I had to do a 3 x 9 mile drive across greater Manchester , 3 miles of that was open countryside , the other 6 miles built up 30mph

On the 3rd trip I counted the lights, including pelican crossings there were 23 sets all with a queue at them , 2 roundabouts, both flowing freely, what's the point of driving over 30 and what was wrong with roundabouts