Clio Williams V1 #0133 for sale - £21k

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Phil,

I have an ‘88 E phase 1.5 1.9 GTI and absolutely love it... spent waaaaaay too much doing her up to mint state, even had the engine out, re sprayed the engine bay, removed all the original stickers that took and eternity to remove intact, then replaced them and clear lacquered them back in place so they will be here for ever now. Also the classic 80’s light grey/dark grey with the red stipe diving they greys seat fabric, I have just got new cloth that someone in Spain found in the back of a cupboard. All original and in the original packaging. I am having the seats done this year even though the current fabric is good, just that it’s 29 years and 78k Miles old.

The Williams Clio is the best hot hatch drive out of the lot. 100%. Even better than the Trophy with its custom Sachs dampers. However the lure of the hair trigger 1.9 just defines the era for me. R5 honestly not a patch on the others, just the cachet of sitting it beside its nemesis of the 1.9.

And yes, a Blue QP indeed beckons if I can move the Clio Willams... I’ve wanted one since 2007 and the desire has not gone away.

Any help gratefully received !!

Stu

I agree about the handling but we all know it doesn't always make the car better. I've kept the mk1 GTI which we me is the better car over the 205 GTI despite the latter handling better. It's about what stirs emotions and even if the steering is a little wooly we forgive those shortcoming for the extra special feel it gives us. Out of all of your cars the 22B has to be one of the rarest out there and prices have gone ballistic recently as have the TM Evo prices.
 
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Ewan,

That is kind of the plan....your car has been the “only†one burning that hole in my conscience!

So that is why the Clio is for sale...

Hopefully
 
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It’s also the smell and feeling you get when in them,,,, just transports you back to a different time. With the 80’s cars, it the heady combination of sh*t plastics and oil wheras with the +2S Elan, it’s leather, walnut dash and oil combined. The Elan is not fast in modern terms but you have to “drive” it, you can’t just be a passenger so to speak. It revs to 7,200, does 63 in second and with skinny tyres, you have to wait and load up before you commit to a corner, but for me and with the feedback through the skinny leather steering wheel and the pedals just can’t be beaten.... we all have our “loves” so to speak and they are all different and what makes life so special....

Re: the 22b, it’s only done 24,000 Miles so is at that point value wise where you don’t want to be ragging it all over the place. Prices have gone totally bonkers. £100k plus now for cars with over 60,000 Miles. Personally, I don’t agree with that but people who were into WRC and Colin McRae Rally are now 20 years older and with disposable income, that’s pushing the prices for sure. Not many left etc and there you go.

I did look for a mint low miler EVO VI TME in Red but they were just not right and now those prices have gone properly north that I have missed the boat on that.

Anyway, will be happy with a QPV GTS to soften the blow

Incidentally, just passed 20k miles last night in the Strad. She’ll be 4 years old in 21 days (as the annoying service message told me last night) and have found my Mojo with her again. I did get bored and thought about changing but seeing that the brief is 4 seats with space, there is pretty much nothing except an FF in my opinion but I’d be paying £150k for a 5 year old Car and for me, that’s not kinda working out in my pea brain.

Stu
 

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Do you have bay windows?



(So you can see him coming!)

Why would anyone want to spend 21k on a mass produced frog mobile...

Now if it was Sierra Cosworth I'd understand, as that would be about price of a good engine rebuild, but as there now worth mega bucks!

Dave
 

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So it's ok for a Ford Sierra RS500 to be worth £100K or a 22B but not a limited run William Clio to be worth a fraction of that price?
 

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Why would anyone want to spend 21k on a mass produced frog mobile...

Now if it was Sierra Cosworth I'd understand, as that would be about price of a good engine rebuild, but as there now worth mega bucks!

Dave

Personally, the risk of a very high cost good engine rebuild would make me value the car less rather than more!

I agree, the Clio, for what it is, seems a crazy amount of money, but at the same time, it's far from unique.
Virtually anything old and with a (Ford) RS badge to me, is crazy priced, some of them I'm not even sure are particularly good cars, whilst things I'd put greater value to aren't worth as much, but it's about supply and demand.

People obviously look at the Williams Clio, and, perhaps to a greater extent, the R5 Turbo (which from what I gather was never that great by comparison) and want them. The driving experience is only part of the puzzle, nostalgia, those cool cars from when you were young, what you wanted back then etc.

Is a Clio Williams better to drive than an Elise S1 or a Caterham 7?
Is a mk1 Escort prettier than a 4200 for more than double the money, is it better to drive?
Is an early Golf GTI better, and worth the premium over an early mx5 at a fraction of the cost?

For me, I don't think so, but I've long ago realised I'm not the norm, so for now at least, I'll watch on and continue to take advantage of the masses not realising what they are missing...
 

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All down to personal taste as you say mate.

I've driven most of them and like you formed my own opinions but the fact is they are all different and offer something in their own unique way whether it be amazing handling (Elise), mad turbo power delivery (R5GT), Go kart zippiness (mk1 GTI) and fun summer roadster (mx5).
 
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classic car market seems to have gone crazy over the last few years, possibly due to low interest rates on savings and investors getting in on the action as well which has forced the prices up on certain marques, just look at the Jag E types, Porsches, Ford RS and Cosworths, Mk1, 2 and 3 Mini Cooper S's. etc etc.

Personally speaking I get far more enjoyment out of driving an old classic car than a modern day car, the driving experience is something else, the smell, the noise, working the gearbox and the tinkering when they go wrong, it's all horses for courses
 
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Agreed the school run in the old skool GTI is way more fun than the GTS and any other modern car.
 
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Just saw the post...

Yes I did sell the Clio for £21k!!

I had the usual morons berating me for the price but she did sell in the end for what I wanted!!
 

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Personally speaking I get far more enjoyment out of driving an old classic car than a modern day car, the driving experience is something else, the smell, the noise, working the gearbox and the tinkering when they go wrong, it's all horses for courses

This was what I realised when looking for something different, hence buying the Fulvia rather than a modern Cayman or S2000, I enjoy the classics so much more