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Wattie

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Florida has just become the first US state to demand labs disclose “cycle thresholds” on all covid tests.

This is an important change in practice- maybe some are beginning to wise up.
 
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Wack61

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I have to admit, I too struggle with how some people are behaving.
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But then you wonder about the stupidity of the councils
Nottingham is in tier 3 , everybody is bored rigid with everything being shut for a month

Shall we have a Christmas Market
Yes
Oh thousands have turned up and they're mingling Irresponsibly

No **** sherlock
 
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But then you wonder about the stupidity of the councils
Nottingham is in tier 3 , everybody is bored rigid with everything being shut for a month

Shall we have a Christmas Market
Yes
Oh thousands have turned up and they're mingling Irresponsibly

No **** sherlock
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Yep, that’s mad too. And so are the people crapping in doorways because all of the toilets were closed.

It’s almost like people should ignore the rules and take reasonable steps to protect themselves. It appears this is beyond a significant section of the population.
 
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As a sub-50 year old without underlying health conditions, it is apparent that I shall not be first in the queue for a vaccine which suits me as a. I want to wait to see which of the vaccines is safest and most effective b. Do the vaccines stop spread of transmission or mitigate the effects of the vaccine c. What impact do the vaccines have on viral load and d. What are the consequences of mass vaccination.

Meanwhile I will continue to mask up, as I did before it was mandatory, not have anyone in my home unlike many in my road including a senior police officer in a tier 3 area, maintain 2m distance which most of the population appear unable to do, travel at unusual times on the rare occasion I have to go into the office on the train, shop at unusual times when the supermarket is quietest or avoid those I feel have taken inadequate steps to protect staff and customers, support local restaurants by ordering takeaways rather than eat in.

My mother contracted it in March and was in ITU for 3 weeks. I have not visited her since as I do not want to risk transmitting to her and my father.

Full disclosure, I live in Swale and worked for Pfizer for over a decade.

I trust individual scientists but Pfizer has been fined in the past for the conduct of its trials and trust in this government has been eroded for me. The waste of taxpayers' money, the nepotism, the lack of leadership.

When the time comes when I am offered a vaccine, I do not know whether or not I will take it as my decision will be made on the information available to me by then and not now.

But if I do not take it I will continue, as I have throughout, to assume that I could be an asymptomatic transmitter and to take steps to minimise the risk of that possibility.

If I do not take a vaccine, do not presume I am choosing to risk other people's health.
 
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dgmx5 said:
As a sub-50 year old without underlying health conditions, it is apparent that I shall not be first in the queue for a vaccine which suits me as a. I want to wait to see which of the vaccines is safest and most effective b. Do the vaccines stop spread of transmission or mitigate the effects of the vaccine c. What impact do the vaccines have on viral load and d. What are the consequences of mass vaccination.

Meanwhile I will continue to mask up, as I did before it was mandatory, not have anyone in my home unlike many in my road including a senior police officer in a tier 3 area, maintain 2m distance which most of the population appear unable to do, travel at unusual times on the rare occasion I have to go into the office on the train, shop at unusual times when the supermarket is quietest or avoid those I feel have taken inadequate steps to protect staff and customers, support local restaurants by ordering takeaways rather than eat in.

My mother contracted it in March and was in ITU for 3 weeks. I have not visited her since as I do not want to risk transmitting to her and my father.

Full disclosure, I live in Swale and worked for Pfizer for over a decade.

I trust individual scientists but Pfizer has been fined in the past for the conduct of its trials and trust in this government has been eroded for me. The waste of taxpayers' money, the nepotism, the lack of leadership.

When the time comes when I am offered a vaccine, I do not know whether or not I will take it as my decision will be made on the information available to me by then and not now.

But if I do not take it I will continue, as I have throughout, to assume that I could be an asymptomatic transmitter and to take steps to minimise the risk of that possibility.

If I do not take a vaccine, do not presume I am choosing to risk other people's health.
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Pretty much snap the same as me on everything you said there with maybe a little less so as I have to work on some customer sites sometimes. Will be interesting to see how it plays out once these vaccines are introduced. I too am in the lowest category which gives me time to watch from the sidelines and make I feel a better informed decision in maybe 6-9 months time.
 
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dgmx5 said:
As a sub-50 year old without underlying health conditions, it is apparent that I shall not be first in the queue for a vaccine which suits me as a. I want to wait to see which of the vaccines is safest and most effective b. Do the vaccines stop spread of transmission or mitigate the effects of the vaccine c. What impact do the vaccines have on viral load and d. What are the consequences of mass vaccination.

Meanwhile I will continue to mask up, as I did before it was mandatory, not have anyone in my home unlike many in my road including a senior police officer in a tier 3 area, maintain 2m distance which most of the population appear unable to do, travel at unusual times on the rare occasion I have to go into the office on the train, shop at unusual times when the supermarket is quietest or avoid those I feel have taken inadequate steps to protect staff and customers, support local restaurants by ordering takeaways rather than eat in.

My mother contracted it in March and was in ITU for 3 weeks. I have not visited her since as I do not want to risk transmitting to her and my father.

Full disclosure, I live in Swale and worked for Pfizer for over a decade.

I trust individual scientists but Pfizer has been fined in the past for the conduct of its trials and trust in this government has been eroded for me. The waste of taxpayers' money, the nepotism, the lack of leadership.

When the time comes when I am offered a vaccine, I do not know whether or not I will take it as my decision will be made on the information available to me by then and not now.

But if I do not take it I will continue, as I have throughout, to assume that I could be an asymptomatic transmitter and to take steps to minimise the risk of that possibility.

If I do not take a vaccine, do not presume I am choosing to risk other people's health.
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Very reasonably put and explained. I too am quite far down the list. I have no idea which vacine I will be offered (if any) and am proceeding on the basis that, in the absence
of evidence against I will take it.
 
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Zep said:
Very reasonably put and explained. I too am quite far down the list. I have no idea which vacine I will be offered (if any) and am proceeding on the basis that, in the absence
of evidence against I will take it.
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You and me both. Whilst your years are (marginally) more tender than mine, I don't even register on the "needs to be vaccinated"* list. If offered one now I'd refuse, not for fear of turning overnight into a werewolf or a zombie, but because there are many far more needy people that are higher up the list than me.

*not against COVID, at least
 
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How many decades will it be before we know whether the vaccine is “safe”?

We live in a world of toxic substances that we come into contact with knowingly and willingly all the time yet some see a vaccine prepared and tested within a strict safety regime as more health/life threatening.

And we live in a world where genetic modification has been present for decades and prevalent for years and will undoubtedly have found its way into many foodstuffs and other substances we ingest, yet a vaccine is a greater risk to our genome.

My guess is the risk of being harmed or killed by millions of other things is far greater most of which could be much more easily managed than the risk associated with a vaccine.

I choose to live my life.
 
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Working in the Motor Trade for 40 years everything today is going to kill me with all the HSE guides and advice given.
I very rarely wear gloves as I don't like my hands sweating in them.
Over the last few years with moving around the World I have had numerous blood tests and chest X-rays and I'm in perfect health.
It amazes me really especially when for many years asbestos was used in everything and all the fumes I have breathed in but no I'm still going.
Hours and hours of welding old snontters up for people when younger for extra cash.
Sometimes I think you need a bit of bad stuff in you like being a kid in the 60's and playing in places we shouldn't have etc.
Makes you think.
 
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philw696 said:
Working in the Motor Trade for 40 years everything today is going to kill me with all the HSE guides and advice given.
I very rarely wear gloves as I don't like my hands sweating in them.
Over the last few years with moving around the World I have had numerous blood tests and chest X-rays and I'm in perfect health.
It amazes me really especially when for many years asbestos was used in everything and all the fumes I have breathed in but no I'm still going.
Hours and hours of welding old snontters up for people when younger for extra cash.
Sometimes I think you need a bit of bad stuff in you like being a kid in the 60's and playing in places we shouldn't have etc.
Makes you think.
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My dad used to say .........Don't worry about putting your dirty fingers in your mouth we'll all eat a pound of dirt before we die. (For full disclosure, I was under 10 when he said it).

In fact, I have worked on enough cars in my time, never put on a pair of gloves, often eaten a sandwich or drunk a cup of tea with greasy oily hands, cut myself and carried on dirty job with no plaster etc.
Still here and feeling fine!
 
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Rwc13 said:
How many decades will it be before we know whether the vaccine is “safe”?

We live in a world of toxic substances that we come into contact with knowingly and willingly all the time yet some see a vaccine prepared and tested within a strict safety regime as more health/life threatening.

And we live in a world where genetic modification has been present for decades and prevalent for years and will undoubtedly have found its way into many foodstuffs and other substances we ingest, yet a vaccine is a greater risk to our genome.

My guess is the risk of being harmed or killed by millions of other things is far greater most of which could be much more easily managed than the risk associated with a vaccine.

I choose to live my life.
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You are right. I think like most things we will never know if anything is truly 'safe' for many years or ever at all. We do indeed live in a world full of toxins and toxic substances. All in the quest for betterness (not sure that is a word!) and alleged improvements. I am not sure that this is advancement in my eyes. I prefer more simple and a slower pace in life although have never managed to achieve it. We are all going too fast and want too much IMHO and often pay the price for this.

Nature is just that and sometimes you just need to let it be. We have messed with this planet a great deal and have paid the price for it and will continue to do so. Whether the advancement can improve things enough to offset the damage/issues/complications I guess time will tell.

We have risks every day of our lives. We just need to be sensible and manage it. Often it is not much of an issues. We get a cold....we fight it off. We have a headache....we sit down for a bit, have some quiet time and fight it off.

I am not a believer of nannying (not sure that is a word either!) our kids and protecting them from bacteria as they grow up or restricting the exposure to foodstuffs. Let them lick the worktops and drop a bread stick on the floor and eat it. A little bit of bacteria is a good thing. As long as it isn't e-coli or the like of course! I think this naturally builds up their immune systems and food tolerances to make them stronger. This has to be a good thing also to fend of disease, bacteria and viruses. I wonder if some will pay the price for this later in life as they age will possibly less resistant to fighting off disease/bacteria naturally later on in their lives.

I am not too bothered now about the risk of catching the virus and/or fighting it off. I am not too bothered necessarily about having a vaccine either. Just don't see the need for me to. I always look at upsides/downsides or risk/reward to make a balanced informed decision. For me at my age with my heath as it is with my risk profile I am OK with not needing a vaccine. Others will have different age, health, circumstances and risk profile. It is no issue either way. We are all right in our own decisions. There can be no wrong with this decision IMHO.

I agree there is much greater risk of harm or death in this life than Covid or the vaccine. That is why neither are much of an issue for me. It is slightly irrational I feel to think otherwise.

We have one life....it is short....live it.....and enjoy it. Whatever that may be!
 
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In the 1950's Asbestos houses were built for many families
Dads used to knock holes in the asbestos to hang pictures etc
Only time reveals how unsafe it was
 
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been breathing all sorts of gases and dusts for donkeys years and still alive and kicking, however, it's only after the last few years that i've been concerned about health and wearing masks and safety gear, when you're young you don't think about your health and feel invincible/unbreakable
 
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