Red card for Maradona

midlifecrisis

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Don’t think he scored any another one!

Kenny Dalglish just about made the only tackle of his career to almost get in his way.....Gemmill nutmegged him too!
That was far better than Maradonas. Or if you want bias, Ryan Giggs running down the wing, doing his own thing. (Giggs will tear you apart.. again!)
 

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I'll tell you what is also p1ssing me off this morning as well............almost exactly half of this mornings breakfast programme 14 minutes out of the last 30 minutes) has been about some dodgy cheating Argie.
Shame they couldn't devote as much time to a British Hero that died recently........Nobby Stiles.
 

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Don’t quite understand the hatred for the bloke, it’s not like he’s Idi Amin or Pol Pot.


I'll tell you what is also p1ssing me off this morning as well............almost exactly half of this mornings breakfast programme 14 minutes out of the last 30 minutes) has been about some dodgy cheating Argie.
Shame they couldn't devote as much time to a British Hero that died recently........Nobby Stiles.

Welcome to not being a football fan and the fact that 90% of the sports news on the telly is football. Haven’t heard a single mention in the last month that with one rally to go Elfyn Evans is leading the World Rally championship if he wins he will be the 3rd Brit and 1st Welshman to do so.

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Don’t quite understand the hatred for the bloke, it’s not like he’s Idi Amin or Pol Pot.




Welcome to not being a football fan and the fact that 90% of the sports news on the telly is football. Haven’t heard a single mention in the last month that with one rally to go Elfyn Evans is leading the World Rally championship if he wins he will be the 3rd Brit and 1st Welshman to do so.

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Other than F1 motorsport often doesn't get reported.

If Elfyn does take the title is there an Englishman, a Scotsman and a Welshman joke ready to go?
 

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I have no interest in football whatsoever so have never heard of Sergio Aguerro and have heard of Lionel Messi but couldn’t have told you if he was Argentinian or not.

Almost 40 years after returning from the Falklands I still suffer bad dreams and flashbacks on occasion from rescuing burnt and seriously injured shipmates from the deck of the Atlantic Conveyor having been hit by Argentine fire. I have a dislike of the country and its citizens which is not rational I know, but I’m human and fallible. I think WW2 vets felt the same way about Germany, and I make no apologies for defending British Sovereign territory against an aggressive foreign invader.

I can kinda understand the hatred.
My Godfather was a POW in an Italian prison camp in WW2, and absolutely detested anything to do with Italy as the treatment he and his fellow prisoners received was appalling.
It was literally so bad that he wouldn't even eat pasta, buy anything that had 'Made in Italy' on and he would spit on Italian cars when he walked past them and so on.
When he was 70 one of his fellow POW's who he remained good friends with, suggested that they shouldn't go to their graves hating anyone.
And along with 2 or three fellow POW's they made a visit to Rome and to the site of the POW camp they were prisoner in.

On getting to the site, the local Italians asked who they were and on hearing the answer, couldn't be more apologetic and literally treated them like kings.
They even met one of their old guards.
He said he spent a "fabulous day" near a place where the source of decades of nightmares for him "with fabulous people".
They then went to Rome and had a great time there as well.

When they came back he said words to the effect of "I wasted so many years hating people, who I never knew, when the ones I should have hated were the leaders. Soldiers aren't to blame, it's the politicians who are".

He went to Italy 2 or 3 times a year after that until he died about 5 year later.
He also said that after the visit he slept better than he had ever done. Still had the odd nightmare, but nowhere near as often as before.

I was only a kid when the Falklands War was on, but have met a few Argentinians in my life, and all have been lovely, and almost embarrassed by the War.
They all said the same thing. The war was a dictators idea to become popular. And failed.
The claims to the Islands which come up every now and again are down to right wing politicians trying to divert attention away from the dire situation in the country (which seems like it's been going on for decades).
A mate who has been to Argentina said it is a great place and well worth a visit. It's on my bucket list.
 

midlifecrisis

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I can kinda understand the hatred.
My Godfather was a POW in an Italian prison camp in WW2, and absolutely detested anything to do with Italy as the treatment he and his fellow prisoners received was appalling.
It was literally so bad that he wouldn't even eat pasta, buy anything that had 'Made in Italy' on and he would spit on Italian cars when he walked past them and so on.
When he was 70 one of his fellow POW's who he remained good friends with, suggested that they shouldn't go to their graves hating anyone.
And along with 2 or three fellow POW's they made a visit to Rome and to the site of the POW camp they were prisoner in.

On getting to the site, the local Italians asked who they were and on hearing the answer, couldn't be more apologetic and literally treated them like kings.
They even met one of their old guards.
He said he spent a "fabulous day" near a place where the source of decades of nightmares for him "with fabulous people".
They then went to Rome and had a great time there as well.

When they came back he said words to the effect of "I wasted so many years hating people, who I never knew, when the ones I should have hated were the leaders. Soldiers aren't to blame, it's the politicians who are".

He went to Italy 2 or 3 times a year after that until he died about 5 year later.
He also said that after the visit he slept better than he had ever done. Still had the odd nightmare, but nowhere near as often as before.

I was only a kid when the Falklands War was on, but have met a few Argentinians in my life, and all have been lovely, and almost embarrassed by the War.
They all said the same thing. The war was a dictators idea to become popular. And failed.
The claims to the Islands which come up every now and again are down to right wing politicians trying to divert attention away from the dire situation in the country (which seems like it's been going on for decades).
A mate who has been to Argentina said it is a great place and well worth a visit. It's on my bucket list.
The Problem with Argentina is that it only takes a failing politician to stir up the 'Malvinas debate'. People can be deluded easily by false hopes and words.
 

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The Problem with Argentina is that it only takes a failing politician to stir up the 'Malvinas debate'. People can be deluded easily by false hopes and words.

Indeed, but it's on the right wingers who take any notice, and the Daily Express......
 

Guy

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I can kinda understand the hatred.
My Godfather was a POW in an Italian prison camp in WW2, and absolutely detested anything to do with Italy as the treatment he and his fellow prisoners received was appalling.
It was literally so bad that he wouldn't even eat pasta, buy anything that had 'Made in Italy' on and he would spit on Italian cars when he walked past them and so on.
When he was 70 one of his fellow POW's who he remained good friends with, suggested that they shouldn't go to their graves hating anyone.
And along with 2 or three fellow POW's they made a visit to Rome and to the site of the POW camp they were prisoner in.

On getting to the site, the local Italians asked who they were and on hearing the answer, couldn't be more apologetic and literally treated them like kings.
They even met one of their old guards.
He said he spent a "fabulous day" near a place where the source of decades of nightmares for him "with fabulous people".
They then went to Rome and had a great time there as well.

When they came back he said words to the effect of "I wasted so many years hating people, who I never knew, when the ones I should have hated were the leaders. Soldiers aren't to blame, it's the politicians who are".

He went to Italy 2 or 3 times a year after that until he died about 5 year later.
He also said that after the visit he slept better than he had ever done. Still had the odd nightmare, but nowhere near as often as before.

I was only a kid when the Falklands War was on, but have met a few Argentinians in my life, and all have been lovely, and almost embarrassed by the War.
They all said the same thing. The war was a dictators idea to become popular. And failed.
The claims to the Islands which come up every now and again are down to right wing politicians trying to divert attention away from the dire situation in the country (which seems like it's been going on for decades).
A mate who has been to Argentina said it is a great place and well worth a visit. It's on my bucket list.
What a great story and really highlights the truth about nations. My Grandfather was killed in Singapore and my father, together with his younger brother and sister, made the last ship to escape before the Japanese invaded. The very last one was torpedoed. His brother's eldest son went on to work for a Japanese bank and spent 7 years in Tokyo, returning with a Japanese wife. There is no animosity in the family. My eldest son spent most of his gap year working in a school in Buenos Aires and is very fond of the people he met and found no animosity there either. As you rightly point out, it's not the people but the leadership of the time that are the villains and deserve our venom for what they did.
 

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What a great story and really highlights the truth about nations. My Grandfather was killed in Singapore and my father, together with his younger brother and sister, made the last ship to escape before the Japanese invaded. The very last one was torpedoed. His brother's eldest son went on to work for a Japanese bank and spent 7 years in Tokyo, returning with a Japanese wife. There is no animosity in the family. My eldest son spent most of his gap year working in a school in Buenos Aires and is very fond of the people he met and found no animosity there either. As you rightly point out, it's not the people but the leadership of the time that are the villains and deserve our venom for what they did.
Including Thatcher who used the Falklands dispute to fire up jingoism and win the next election. Wasn't in the forces but had plenty of mate who were. Some scarred for life...
 

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What a great story and really highlights the truth about nations. My Grandfather was killed in Singapore and my father, together with his younger brother and sister, made the last ship to escape before the Japanese invaded. The very last one was torpedoed.

Small world.
My grandmother was on that ship that was torpedoed. She ended up in a POW camp in Indonesia before returning to Penang where my grandfather, mother and aunt were, only to be incarcerated again in Changi when the Japanese were beginning to be pushed back.

Have great admiration for her. She never spoke about this and it only came out when my daughter "interviewed" my mother about her as part of a junior school project on ancestors.

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Including Thatcher who used the Falklands dispute to fire up jingoism and win the next election. Wasn't in the forces but had plenty of mate who were. Some scarred for life...
may be so but she did the right thing. What is the point of sovereignty if you do not defend it. Sadly we would probably struggle to do so again. At least reelection ensured Britain was saved from the outdated unions who seemed destined to make a British Leyland out of Great Britain!
 

Guy

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Small world.
My grandmother was on that ship that was torpedoed. She ended up in a POW camp in Indonesia before returning to Penang where my grandfather, mother and aunt were, only to be incarcerated again in Changi when the Japanese were beginning to be pushed back.

Have great admiration for her. She never spoke about this and it only came out when my daughter "interviewed" my mother about her as part of a junior school project on ancestors.

Eb
Wow Eb, sliding doors moments in history. I was not aware many survived the torpedoed ship.
BTW, my grandfather was flying WW1 technology Vickers Vildebeest against the Japanese Zeros, a sort of MGB vs Nissan Skyline!