Red card for Maradona

GeoffCapes

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Not true, Kirchner is centre left and still stirred up the hornets nest.

It's all hot air. The have neither the capability or the cash to do anything. Let along the backing of the people.

 
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midlifecrisis

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It's all hot air. The have neither the capability or the cash to do anything. Let along the backing of the people.

Not now, but sometime...
 

Ebenezer

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Wow Eb, sliding doors moments in history. I was not aware many survived the torpedoed ship.
BTW, my grandfather was flying WW1 technology Vickers Vildebeest against the Japanese Zeros, a sort of MGB vs Nissan Skyline!
This has prompted me to do some googling as I knew that she had her signature embroidered on a cloth held at the Imperial War Museum and amazingly I came across a document describing what happened to her. It turns out she was on the HMS Giang Bee which was sunk by a Japanese destroyer on 13 Feb 1942. Her ship had been bombed, shelled and the destroyer had torpedoes

Eb

 

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I don’t think anyone British particularly likes him; but it can’t be denied that he was absolutely amazing to watch. My fave clip, sound on:

Yep, he was certainly a very talented footballer although there were one or two who were better at the time, but I will always remember him as "The Cheat''..hand of God my ar$e..
 

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I can kinda understand the hatred.
My Godfather was a POW in an Italian prison camp in WW2, and absolutely detested anything to do with Italy as the treatment he and his fellow prisoners received was appalling.
It was literally so bad that he wouldn't even eat pasta, buy anything that had 'Made in Italy' on and he would spit on Italian cars when he walked past them and so on.
When he was 70 one of his fellow POW's who he remained good friends with, suggested that they shouldn't go to their graves hating anyone.
And along with 2 or three fellow POW's they made a visit to Rome and to the site of the POW camp they were prisoner in.

On getting to the site, the local Italians asked who they were and on hearing the answer, couldn't be more apologetic and literally treated them like kings.
They even met one of their old guards.
He said he spent a "fabulous day" near a place where the source of decades of nightmares for him "with fabulous people".
They then went to Rome and had a great time there as well.

When they came back he said words to the effect of "I wasted so many years hating people, who I never knew, when the ones I should have hated were the leaders. Soldiers aren't to blame, it's the politicians who are".

He went to Italy 2 or 3 times a year after that until he died about 5 year later.
He also said that after the visit he slept better than he had ever done. Still had the odd nightmare, but nowhere near as often as before.

I was only a kid when the Falklands War was on, but have met a few Argentinians in my life, and all have been lovely, and almost embarrassed by the War.
They all said the same thing. The war was a dictators idea to become popular. And failed.
The claims to the Islands which come up every now and again are down to right wing politicians trying to divert attention away from the dire situation in the country (which seems like it's been going on for decades).
A mate who has been to Argentina said it is a great place and well worth a visit. It's on my bucket list.
Well the good news is that there are a bunch of Eurofighter Typhoon Aircraft based in the Falklands now, so there wont be any surprise attacks again.
 

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I will always remember the cheating too, but no way was anyone better than him in his era.
Winners do what it takes to win.
It may not be PC but no-one remembers second place. As others have said if it had happened at the other end you’d still be celebrating it.
That’s the world we live in, play by the rules, fine, you might not get the result you want......gifted players take chances like he did. Intuition, destiny?

In his era and even now, there isn’t a player or manager who wouldn’t have him in their dream team.

He’s right up their on a pedestal.
 

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Sorry Wattie, it is sport and sportsmanship for me is everything. In my opinion Messi is a far better player and sets a sporting standard. He will be remembered for his football. Maradona for his cheating and his fall from grace. No role model for me.
I would rather watch Rugby anyway!
 

Wattie

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Sorry Wattie, it is sport and sportsmanship for me is everything. In my opinion Messi is a far better player and sets a sporting standard. He will be remembered for his football. Maradona for his cheating and his fall from grace. No role model for me.
I would rather watch Rugby anyway!
Understandable.
By the way at no point did I say he was a role model.
He was a winner and he did what it took to win. Many others have done the same.

Right now a few million English are upset and aggrieved.
Frankly,The Rest of the world doesn’t give a feck.
 
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Oneball

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These people’s desire to win is what sets them apart it also makes them a million more times more likely to cheat than the rest of us. I bet you Messi has “cheated” loads of times he just didn’t get away with the goal.
 

Oneball

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Sorry Wattie, it is sport and sportsmanship for me is everything. In my opinion Messi is a far better player and sets a sporting standard. He will be remembered for his football. Maradona for his cheating and his fall from grace. No role model for me.
I would rather watch Rugby anyway!

Here you go. Never watched a football match in my life but a quick google “Messi handball goal” brings this up.
 

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My dad told me the late great Nat Lofthouse once scored a diving header by thumping it in with his fist level with his head on the side the ref couldn't see. Later I met Nat in a pub, and he totally confirmed the story, got him to sign his biography, 'Goals Galore'. wonder what happened to it - lost in a move I reckon.

He had an exemplary record of honest toil and fair play, but even he would take a goal at any price!

The Lion Of Vienna. And a truly nice unassuming man. He told me he'd go to the match to play that day on the bus with everyone, fans etc, and with his boots in a box.
 

midlifecrisis

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My dad told me the late great Nat Lofthouse once scored a diving header by thumping it in with his fist level with his head on the side the ref couldn't see. Later I met Nat in a pub, and he totally confirmed the story, got him to sign his biography, 'Goals Galore'. wonder what happened to it - lost in a move I reckon.

He had an exemplary record of honest toil and fair play, but even he would take a goal at any price!

The Lion Of Vienna. And a truly nice unassuming man. He told me he'd go to the match to play that day on the bus with everyone, fans etc, and with his boots in a box.
Nat Lofthouse, scored twice in the 58 FA Cup against United's Phoenix team.
 

GeoffCapes

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Sorry Wattie, it is sport and sportsmanship for me is everything. In my opinion Messi is a far better player and sets a sporting standard. He will be remembered for his football. Maradona for his cheating and his fall from grace. No role model for me.
I would rather watch Rugby anyway!

Yet Michael Schumacher is held in a higher esteem than Lewis Hamilton.
The same Schumacher who would crash into someone on the first lap to ensure they didn't win the world championship.
Or park his car in a place to end qualifying earlier.

All cheating. Just depends on your viewpoint on what you remember and what you forget.

For me, even as an Englishman, I think he was a genius on the football pitch and a lot of players could learn a bit at his attitude to winning.
Few remember Lineker taking a dive against Cameroon in the same World Cup.