222SE on fleabay

Goodfella

Member
Messages
735
I could seriously swap using a Range Rover as a daily and use that. If I believed it would start every morning....
 

Needamaser

Member
Messages
1,499
Let me see, a good 3200 or a 4200 or that hmmmmm......
This car is 27 years old. We are firmly in classic car territory and much as I love the 4200 it wont be seeing classic status for a while yet.
Biturbo get bad press and again some on here are the worst offenders in same way talking down GT prices etc.
If, and big if, this car is rust free it is one of a small number that are and mechanically much easier/cheaper to work on than a 3200/4200.
This or a 1980/90's Ford hot hatch? hmmmmm................... :)
 

Oneball

Member
Messages
11,107
This car is 27 years old. We are firmly in classic car territory and much as I love the 4200 it wont be seeing classic status for a while yet.
Biturbo get bad press and again some on here are the worst offenders in same way talking down GT prices etc.
If, and big if, this car is rust free it is one of a small number that are and mechanically much easier/cheaper to work on than a 3200/4200.
This or a 1980/90's Ford hot hatch? hmmmmm................... :)

I think the Biturbos are brilliant, I’m just shocked by the prices being asked. This speculation on older cars will kill the classic car industry/community as nothing will get used. The guy in his shed with an MG or Jag is disappearing
 

dickyb

Member
Messages
432
When you think about it this is still reasonable money for what is a very prestigious, fast, luxurious and discrete car, it certainly looks very good value compared to a lot of 1990s hot hatches and those cars which have a scene tax, £60k for a Ford Escort anyone? Whilst Biturbos don't have a great reputation, most of this is due to armchair experts who are referring to the early carb equipped cars which were indeed a little problematic, later cars were better built, faster and dare I say it, reliable. For such a small company in the 1990s it is amazing to think that cars such as the Shamal were faster and cheaper than the contemporary Ferrari 348, and that the Ghbili Open Cup race car was faster around Fiorano than the Ferrari 355 Challenge race car, one reason why Ferrari axed the Ghibli race series when they took control in 1996. Unfortunately the Biturbo era will always suffer from a certain amount of snobbery when compared to the classics and the more modern cars, but they are my favourite models from Maserati's history, perhaps I'm a weirdo? :)

This particular car has had an absolute fortune spent on it mechanically but it did have some minor rust bubbling when the last owner sold it. I note that in the ebay advert the 222 SE badges are now missing from the bootlid so one could perhaps assume that the car has now had some paintwork and perhaps the previous minor issues have been addressed. If this is the case then I think this car is reasonably priced, the market is limited but the vendor will always have the power to say "find another one".

Here is a youtube video showing a walkround when the previous owner was selling it:

 
Last edited:

safrane

Member
Messages
16,828
Couple of imported 222s on ebay from Japan. I would hazard a guess they will have far less hidden rust... well until they are used here over winter.
 

allandwf

Member
Messages
10,987
This car is 27 years old. We are firmly in classic car territory and much as I love the 4200 it wont be seeing classic status for a while yet.
Biturbo get bad press and again some on here are the worst offenders in same way talking down GT prices etc.
If, and big if, this car is rust free it is one of a small number that are and mechanically much easier/cheaper to work on than a 3200/4200.
This or a 1980/90's Ford hot hatch? hmmmmm................... :)
It's possibly an age thing. Personally I'd have the aforementioned before one of those. But everyone's different :)
 

Gp79

Member
Messages
1,398
It has already been welded before looking at the MOT history, suppose normal for a 27yr old car.
Needs careful inspection.
 

Nayf

Member
Messages
2,747
When you think about it this is still reasonable money for what is a very prestigious, fast, luxurious and discrete car, it certainly looks very good value compared to a lot of 1990s hot hatches and those cars which have a scene tax, £60k for a Ford Escort anyone? Whilst Biturbos don't have a great reputation, most of this is due to armchair experts who are referring to the early carb equipped cars which were indeed a little problematic, later cars were better built, faster and dare I say it, reliable. For such a small company in the 1990s it is amazing to think that cars such as the Shamal were faster and cheaper than the contemporary Ferrari 348, and that the Ghbili Open Cup race car was faster around Fiorano than the Ferrari 355 Challenge race car, one reason why Ferrari axed the Ghibli race series when they took control in 1996. Unfortunately the Biturbo era will always suffer from a certain amount of snobbery when compared to the classics and the more modern cars, but they are my favourite models from Maserati's history, perhaps I'm a weirdo? :)

This particular car has had an absolute fortune spent on it mechanically but it did have some minor rust bubbling when the last owner sold it. I note that in the ebay advert the 222 SE badges are now missing from the bootlid so one could perhaps assume that the car has now had some paintwork and perhaps the previous minor issues have been addressed. If this is the case then I think this car is reasonably priced, the market is limited but the vendor will always have the power to say "find another one".

Here is a youtube video showing a walkround when the previous owner was selling it:

My favourite era too. A great era for Italian non-Ferrari cars, really...
 

Needamaser

Member
Messages
1,499
I am probably totally wrong but I reckon prices of good Biturbos will start climbing. It wasn't long ago a good Merak was £15-20k. Pal looked at a Mistral a few years ago and it was mint. He thought £22k was a ridiculous price and walked away from it.
How many solid, well maintained, manual , rhd and with the right engine biturbos are actually still around? Looks may be marmite but I love them.