Anyone had the jab yet?

[Hawk13]

I heard on the radio that the risk of getting a blood clot is greater taking a long haul flight than from the AZ jab .... it's all a load of fuss over nothing IMO.

On a personal note, I'm just over a week since my first AZ dose and my arm still feels dead and I am not back to full strength. Still better than catching a disease that could kill me though.

 

[midlifecrisis]

Still better than catching a disease that could kill me though.

D@mn Right!

 

[Wattie]

D@mn Right!

I heard on the radio that the risk of getting a blood clot is greater taking a long haul flight than from the AZ jab .... it's all a load of fuss over nothing IMO.

On a personal note, I'm just over a week since my first AZ dose and my arm still feels dead and I am not back to full strength. Still better than catching a disease that could kill me though.

Well covid mortality depends on your age, health, pre existing conditions etc....So if that covers you fair enough.
Stating everyone is at the same risk is bo1locks and that is where this total fuckery is going wrong.

 

[CatmanV2]

Half expecting a question about the DoE getting the AZ jab at the next press conference.......

C

 

[MarkMas]

Well covid mortality depends on your age, health, pre existing conditions etc....So if that covers you fair enough.
Stating everyone is at the same risk is bo1locks and that is where this total fuckery is going wrong.

Who is stating that 'everyone is at the same risk'? I have not heard this claim from anybody.

The point is (as I have said before) that vaccinations do TWO THINGS:

• protect an individual who is at risk from getting the disease and experiencing major effects or death
• protect a population from continuing spread of the disease

In theory, you can just vaccinate people most at risk and then let the disease be endemic, but you are still exposing many people at the 'at risk' boundary - it is not some sort of simple binary cut-off. And, you have to keep on vaccinating more at-risk people (as they age or develop other risk factors), whereas if you vaccinate almost everybody, you can actually eradicate the disease in the population as a whole. Which seems sensible as the disease can be quite nasty and the vaccine is incredibly safe.

(edited to correct 'irradiate' to eradicate')

 

[midlifecrisis]

Who is stating that 'everyone is at the same risk'? I have not heard this claim from anybody.

The point is (as I have said before) that vaccinations do TWO THINGS:

• protect an individual who is at risk from getting the disease and experiencing major effects or death
• protect a population from continuing spread of the disease

In theory, you can just vaccinate people most at risk and then let the disease be endemic, but you are still exposing many people at the 'at risk' boundary - it is not some sort of simple binary cut-off. And, you have to keep on vaccinating more at-risk people (as they age or develop other risk factors), whereas if you vaccinate almost everybody, you can actually irradiate the disease in the population as a whole. Which seems sensible as the disease can be quite nasty and the vaccine is incredibly safe.

D@mn Right!

 

[Wattie]

Who is stating that 'everyone is at the same risk'? I have not heard this claim from anybody.

It’s pretty common to hear the news regularly state that the risk from covid outweighs the risk of vaccination. Watch sky’s guests every half hour....after the news.

There’s no caveat, distinction or clarity. Blanket advice. Lots of politicians state the same particularly during interviews.

Rare side effects of vaccine outweighed by risk of death from COVID

The EU’s medical regulator has found a possible link between the AstraZeneca vaccine and a rare blood clotting disorder, but the risk of dying from COVID is far greater than the risk of developing the disorder.

ama.com.au

Rare side effects of vaccine outweighed by risk of death from COVID

The EU's medical regulator has found a possible link between the AstraZeneca vaccine and a rare blood clotting disorder, but the risk of dying from

www.miragenews.com

Everyone tarred with same brush. Not true.

If everyone isn’t at risk why then is the entire population locked down, not just the vulnerable?
Why are we testing vaccines on kids that basically don’t need them?

Mark,The science behind this left the building months ago. It’s now become a political tool ( which varies from country to country) and at the moment there’s no way out of the mess they’re creating.

You’re never going to vaccinate everyone ( nor do you need to) so they need to stop the Bs that you do cos this virus isn’t really that dangerous.
The global deaths to cases tells u that.



2.1%
Its a Scamdemic.

 

[Simon1963]

It’s interesting how different we all feel after the vaccine. I wonder if the worse we feel post vaccine equates to how well our system would cope if we caught covid. Was just a thought I had and probably doesn’t mean anything.

 

[MarkMas]

It’s pretty common to hear the news regularly state that the risk from covid outweighs the risk of vaccination. Watch sky’s guests every half hour....after the news.

There’s no caveat, distinction or clarity. Blanket advice. Lots of politicians state the same particularly during interviews.

Rare side effects of vaccine outweighed by risk of death from COVID

The EU’s medical regulator has found a possible link between the AstraZeneca vaccine and a rare blood clotting disorder, but the risk of dying from COVID is far greater than the risk of developing the disorder.

ama.com.au

Rare side effects of vaccine outweighed by risk of death from COVID

The EU's medical regulator has found a possible link between the AstraZeneca vaccine and a rare blood clotting disorder, but the risk of dying from

www.miragenews.com

Everyone tarred with same brush. Not true.

If everyone isn’t at risk why then is the entire population locked down, not just the vulnerable?
Why are we testing vaccines on kids that basically don’t need them?

Mark,The science behind this left the building months ago. It’s now become a political tool ( which varies from country to country) and at the moment there’s no way out of the mess they’re creating.

You’re never going to vaccinate everyone ( nor do you need to) so they need to stop the Bs that you do cos this virus isn’t really that dangerous.
The global deaths to cases tells u that.

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2.1%
Its a Scamdemic.

I really see no point in explaining it to you again.

 

[CatmanV2]

It’s interesting how different we all feel after the vaccine. I wonder if the worse we feel post vaccine equates to how well our system would cope if we caught covid. Was just a thought I had and probably doesn’t mean anything.

There's no real evidence that this is the case, so you're pretty much correct

C

 

[jasst]

Well covid mortality depends on your age, health, pre existing conditions etc

Total boll**ks, plenty of instances of perfectly healthy people with no issues at all getting it and not surviving.

 

[Swedish Paul]

It’s pretty common to hear the news regularly state that the risk from covid outweighs the risk of vaccination. Watch sky’s guests every half hour....after the news.

There’s no caveat, distinction or clarity. Blanket advice. Lots of politicians state the same particularly during interviews.

Rare side effects of vaccine outweighed by risk of death from COVID

The EU’s medical regulator has found a possible link between the AstraZeneca vaccine and a rare blood clotting disorder, but the risk of dying from COVID is far greater than the risk of developing the disorder.

ama.com.au

Rare side effects of vaccine outweighed by risk of death from COVID

The EU's medical regulator has found a possible link between the AstraZeneca vaccine and a rare blood clotting disorder, but the risk of dying from

www.miragenews.com

Everyone tarred with same brush. Not true.

If everyone isn’t at risk why then is the entire population locked down, not just the vulnerable?
Why are we testing vaccines on kids that basically don’t need them?

Mark,The science behind this left the building months ago. It’s now become a political tool ( which varies from country to country) and at the moment there’s no way out of the mess they’re creating.

You’re never going to vaccinate everyone ( nor do you need to) so they need to stop the Bs that you do cos this virus isn’t really that dangerous.
The global deaths to cases tells u that.

View attachment 83988

2.1%
Its a Scamdemic.

So vacinations in the UK is responsible for bringing down new infections and deaths. So they must be evil. Or do you disagree?

What was the fellas name, David Icke?

 

[Wattie]

Total boll**ks, plenty of instances of perfectly healthy people with no issues at all getting it and not surviving.

Very very few in the total scheme of things.....the facts show clearly who has more risk.

Here’s a govt slogan for you.

lose weight ,Stop smoking,Get fit
Survive Covid

No, didn’t think so

Covid-19: Highest death rates seen in countries with most overweight populations

Covid-19 death rates are 10 times higher in countries where more than half of the adult population is classified as overweight, a comprehensive report from the World Obesity Federation has found. The report analysed mortality data from Johns Hopkins University and the WHO Global Health...

www.bmj.com

Which is ironic for lockdowns

Expert sandwich tips that will change your lunches for ever

A carefully crafted sandwich is hard to beat and we’ve asked the best of the best, for their top sandwich making tips for you to recreate at home

www.bbc.co.uk

Quarantine Weight Gain: 35.82% Gained Weight During Pandemic [19,903 Person Study]

In previous research, we found that the lockdown led to people exercising m

runrepeat.com

Oh and if lockdowns work, why is Sweden’s death rate not through the roof?

Sweden’s 2020 death spike lower than much of Europe, data shows

Despite shunning strict COVID lockdowns, Sweden’s overall mortality rate was lower than most other European nations.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Wattie]

So vacinations in the UK is responsible for bringing down new infections and deaths. So they must be evil. Or do you disagree?

What was the fellas name, David Icke?

Im Not anti vaccine in general.

Vaccines appear to help the serious infection risk to those at particular risk with covid.

Infections tumbled almost immediately The Who issued its revised Pcr guidance in Jan-

WHO Information Notice for Users 2020/05

Product type: Nucleic acid testing (NAT) technologies that use polymerase chain reaction (PCR) for detection of SARS-CoV-2 Date: 13 January 2021 WHO-identifier: 2020/5, version 2 Target audience: laboratory professionals and...

www.who.int

Combo of the two.

I really see no point in explaining it to you again.

And vice versa.
Whilst u may not agree the undeniable fact exists that govts around the world are changing their vaccination programmed due to concerns.
Which is odd if the risks are as small as claimed.

 

[Zep]

Good, now you can both stop.

 

[Swedish Paul]

Im Not anti vaccine in general.

Vaccines appear to help the serious infection risk to those at particular risk with covid.

Infections tumbled almost immediately The Who issued its revised Pcr guidance in Jan-

WHO Information Notice for Users 2020/05

Product type: Nucleic acid testing (NAT) technologies that use polymerase chain reaction (PCR) for detection of SARS-CoV-2 Date: 13 January 2021 WHO-identifier: 2020/5, version 2 Target audience: laboratory professionals and...

www.who.int

Combo of the two.


And vice versa.
Whilst u may not agree the undeniable fact exists that govts around the world are changing their vaccination programmed due to concerns.
Which is odd if the risks are as small as claimed.

Is there a prize for the most words written on a thread or the most reposts of posts that referenced posts?

I really want to see new input in this thread. Can we make a new rule? Please? Pretty please?!!?!

 

[Blox]

Vaccines work and there’s definitely been a positive effect of the UK programme. But other factors are also at play e.g seasonality, less vulnerable population, etc. But, whether you have the vaccine or not should be personal choice. We have first hand family experience of vaccine damage and the lifelong consequences. So many will hopefully understand my natural caution with regard to the current raft of vaccines that have been released at pace under emergency use authorisation and where the clinical trials run to 2023. If the vaccine works for you and makes you feel more secure, then great. But equally, respect others please who feel differently and exercise caution in other ways.

 

[Zep]

Well said.

Everyone has a choice and should make it for themselves.

Similarly, we should not have interminable arguments over whether or not one persons view is right or not. We are all familiar with the regular contributors points of view and can all cope with not seeing them restated.

 

[Wanderer]

I know I’ve expressed my concerns and as one with a heart problem and previous pancreas/spleen issues I have to tread carefully. But I’ve had the first vaccine with minimal issues and I will take the next if I can before returning to Belgium.

 

[philw696]

Me and Ms French booked in for Monday afternoon for the Astra Zenica but the Pharmacist wants us to see our GP first.
We're both healthy without issues but we will see him Monday morning.