Anyone had the jab yet?


Good to get some new perspective on this thread. For a while I did wonder whether Wattie was a Russian bot but I think there is a reasonable chance that he is real. He seems to me to be the guy nursing a pint in the corner who disagrees with the conversation at the bar whatever it happens to be about. There is actually no harm in that as, in my job, I really like talking to people I disagree with on many things as it helps me think better and I’m one of those old fashioned people who believes in free speech......
I’m going to have to disagree with your post.
I don’t drink pints.
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On the news here planning on vaccinating 12 to 15 year olds.
Be interesting to see what the take up is as many adults not taking it.


With your experience, Do you know what levels they were they cycling PCR tests at and why the levels were never disclosed by the Uk (any) govt?
Why don’t we know cycling levels now?

Your NHS comment is fair enough but it’s come at the expense of just about every other area of society.

Even now there’s a benchmark where the Uk can only get back to normal if “infections” don’t threaten the NHS.
This is where imo the whole thing falls down. Infections aren’t a bad thing as long as they’re not serious.....for a massive proportion of the population this is the case.
“Covid Admissions” would give a far better indication (given the PCR nonsense) of the seriousness of the virus and it’s impact on the population. Given the vaccine roll out this should be greatly minimised on the vulnerable if they indeed work as claimed.
Sorry, I don't know the value of Ct that the NHS is using. I was only involved in the clinical trials of the products I designed to prove that they worked. I am an engineer, not a medic.

I'm not sure what you mean by PCR nonsense unless you are referring to the earlier poster. PCR works and can detect much lower levels of viral load than other diagnostic techniques, but like most diagnostic techniques, it must be used correctly to give reliable results.

In England at least, the vaccine does seem to be working. There were 2000 new COVID cases reported and zero related deaths reported yesterday. The latest mutations in Brazil and SA seem to target a much wider audience than before so it remains to be seen if the vaccine continues to work with these variants although early tests are encouraging.

Regarding mutations, COVID is relatively slow at mutating compared to other Coronavirus. Generally, mutations only occur during viral propagation. To stop the propagation, stop the virus. Both vaccination and social distancing do this.
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I think one very important issue is missing in this discussion: mutation of the virus. In order to prevent a really really bad mutation of the virus to develop through natural mutation time and the size of the affected population is of the essence. Apart from the obvious - people dying in large numbers - we need to get rid of this already very dangerous virus to stop the mutating. The larger the virus population and the longer time goes on, the larger the chance that one of the ongoing mutations in this process (most of which are probably non-starters or at least not worse than the current strain) will result in a strain that is either not wiped out by the current vaccines or that is very much more dangerous. And then we start over again - new vaccines will need to be developed to wipe out that strain and we're back to large new waves around the world and strict lockdowns. This may sound like a doomsday scenario but we have already seen these new strains developing independently from each other across the world. In nature it is survival of the fittest. For a virus this means being worse / faster spreading than the previous strain. So take that jab to 1. prevent the virus from living on and 2. having a large enough population of unvaccinated people to spread to (and spread on from then etc. etc.) and 3. to stop the mutating process.