Are we really that desperate for a drink?

rossyl

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Was out in Granary Sq near Kings Cross.
It was all fine. Table service only. Capacity was intentionally limited etc etc.

Ultimately, its your decision to make if you want to go to the pub.

The media can always spin a story however they want to. I was out in Central London and it was fine.

It was great to have some normality.
 

Felonious Crud

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Was out in Granary Sq near Kings Cross.
It was all fine. Table service only. Capacity was intentionally limited etc etc.

Ultimately, its your decision to make if you want to go to the pub.

The media can always spin a story however they want to. I was out in Central London and it was fine.

It was great to have some normality.

I know it well. Nice, big open space. Perfect! Glad it was all good.
 

Andyk

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Front line report:

The weather didnt help yesterday. Rained most of the day. Outside seating areas mostly unused except for smokers.

Steps i took. Risk assessment, staff training, enhanced cleaning routines. Altered drinks dispence procedure to reduce the person to glass to person contact. Welcome letter on every table which details what and why for everything and the rules that apply.

Quiet start to the day but increased steadily to maximum capacity. The vast majority of customers there was either no push back from or very very positive and compliant. One chap simply said "whatever you need me to do just say what the rules are and i will do it. Im just glad to be here."

Overall the attitude and compliance with the new rules and regulations and procedures was very good.

There was some push back. Oddly that came from a very small number of people in the 55 years and above age group. We had the odd rolling of eyes or ffs statement which were dealt with politely.

We had one that was far more vocal with " this is f'ing boll*cks". Politely explained this is what we have to do to be open. If you cant do as requested then you will not be getting served cured that one.

There were three occasions we had to either stop people trying to move tables or chairs and explain again the social distancing rules or just ask them to create a further gap between people that were too close together.

We did have more people either from other areas or people that would not usually class this as their local.

The only other thing of any note was one known local person who is barred that decided to pop their head through the doorway and in their drunken tiny little mind thought it would be ok to scream abuse at somebody else in the pub. Dealt with quickly and they never made it through the doorway.

Minor problems aside and they were minor it was a good day and everybody that visited said they had enjoyed it and understood why we have to do what we are doing to keep people safe.

Sounds like you had it all unde control buddy. Hope it works for you and business gets better.
 

philw696

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I see that some Pubs are now having to close again due to new cases.
Hope they didn't jump the gun opening up.
 

CatmanV2

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They took it to the Pub and passed it on to all so I beg to differ many will have caught it in the Pub Chris.

We shall have to see. The point is with the 1m plus that the risk of passing it on is greatly reduced. 3 cases so far. @spkennyuk any idea how many pubs opened in the UK on Saturday?

There was always going to be cases of people going to pubs and then testing positive afterwards.

C
 

CatmanV2

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Isn't incubation 5-20 days? The pubs only opened a few days ago.

Yes. Hence we shall see. The people that tested positive were positive before they went. This was always going to happen. What we'll learn is how badly the virus is transmitted in the 'new' pub environment.

I note with interest that there appears to be no other footage of mass crowds ignoring social distancing emerging after the weekend.

C
 

spkennyuk

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We shall have to see. The point is with the 1m plus that the risk of passing it on is greatly reduced. 3 cases so far. @spkennyuk any idea how many pubs opened in the UK on Saturday?

There was always going to be cases of people going to pubs and then testing positive afterwards.

C

No verified numbers yet but around 50% in England opened. Which equates to 25k plus.

Out of the three pubs that have closed again.

One case is confirmed tested positive however factor in the incubation period and they certainly contracted it before going to the pub. If they were showing any symptoms before hand is another matter. If they were then they shouldnt have been out let alone at a pub or shops and the like.

2nd case i hear is somebody who was on site at the pub but not a customer in the pub. So its either a staff member, a contractor or somebody living on site. If i hear anything more i will let you know the exact details.

3rd case is on the face of it a strange one. There has been a telephone claim to the pub in question that a person has covid. As it stands it has not been confirmed and the pub has closed for a deep clean as a precaution.

One of the flaws in the system as it stands is that pubs should in my view get an official notification in some form. Either a verified call from the NHS track and trace team or a visit from the police / call from the police.

2nd flaw is that the pubs should supply the information to NHS track and trace should a case be confirmed so that again its an official traceable source of notification. One of the pubs is contacting their own customers to let them know.

Sadly all it takes at the moment is either somebody with a grudge, somebody seeking attention or your typical 999 hoax caller to set off a chain reaction of events that could quite easily cause unnecessary stress and worry to customers and staff and further damage businesses and the economy.

I am sure there will be cases going forwards where pubs will need to close and people go into isolation because person B caught it from person A in the pub.

The cases reported so far have been people having it and then visiting a pub which can only mean the social distancing and preventative measures taken by those individuals for some reason failed. I'm not suggesting it is their fault by that statement. Simply that the measures taken failed.

The worst case scenario for anybody in the pub trade at the moment is having sombody test positive who lives and works on site. However if they have done a covid risk assesment they should have a plan in place should that occur.
 

spkennyuk

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Wonders how many pubs are protecting their customers personal data?

We are obliged to keep them for a rolling 21 day period. After that its destroyed on a daily basis.

Contact details are name and telephone number. If its a couple or small group its all names and one contact number which are put into a sealed box each day and cant be accessed by the public.

I am aware of some pubs that are not keeping a record of visitors. Which just undermines the pubs that adhere to the guide lines.

There is a tech option involving QR codes. However the problem with this is that the operators dont know if people have the app on their phones and did scan in to the premises. Same applies with scanning out.
 

spkennyuk

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Wonders how many pubs are protecting their customers personal data?

Talking of which. Everybodies phone was updated a few weeks ago with a covid19 app hidden away in the settings.

Why it has not been turned on yet is a mystery. Although if your using google maps and bluetooth in your car for example it is turned on and your not aware of it.

If more people were aware of it then at least they have the option to opt in now even if its just for testing purposes.

The screen shot is from an android phone. Found under settings then google settings. Iphones its under settings and then health.

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