Are you worried yet.

Wack61

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Trying to stay positive here but if the curfew we're currently in doesn't work then we will be locked down for sure again.

In the UK they're now saying one in ten has caught CV19 which must mean most people are doing as they're asked if 90% of us haven't caught it
 

CatmanV2

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My God, highest number of dead today .........like ever.
Yeah, except not quite. Highest number by date reported The graph of 'by date of death' looks very different. To say nothing of the graphs compared to 2003 and 2016 (from memory) where there were higher deaths per head of population.

No nuance :(


<edit> And I'm not saying that the situation is not serious, it is!

Here's another. Someone with COVID is admitted to hospital every 30 seconds. Except that includes the ones that are catching it hospital having been admitted for something else and completely bypasses the fact that someone is discharged having recovered every 40 seconds (roughly)....

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Saigon

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Yeah, except not quite. Highest number by date reported The graph of 'by date of death' looks very different. To say nothing of the graphs compared to 2003 and 2016 (from memory) where there were higher deaths per head of population.

No nuance :(


<edit> And I'm not saying that the situation is not serious, it is!

Here's another. Someone with COVID is admitted to hospital every 30 seconds. Except that includes the ones that are catching it hospital having been admitted for something else and completely bypasses the fact that someone is discharged having recovered every 40 seconds (roughly)....

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Like most others, trying to find something positive, and if you look hard enough you will find them. But I have a genuine question and should not feel ill at ease to ask it ! This evening I read that the UK now has the highest death rate in the World, why ?.
 

Oneball

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Like most others, trying to find something positive, and if you look hard enough you will find them. But I have a genuine question and should not feel ill at ease to ask it ! This evening I read that the UK now has the highest death rate in the World, why ?.
There is a significant difference in the way deaths are reported. Nowt to do with fiddling the figures. But ours are “death within 28 days of a positive test” you could get run over by a bus and be counted. Other places it has to be listed as a cause on the death certificate
 

Oneball

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But the guidance says you shouldn't, if at all possible.
Extreme point but if for example you were in hospital with pneumonia, you contracted COVID, tested positive, then died from pneumonia, in this country it would be highly likely you would be counted but in other countries you may not.

Of course you may have been talking about the Highway Code in which case, yes, don’t get run over by a bus.
 

Saigon

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There is a significant difference in the way deaths are reported. Nowt to do with fiddling the figures. But ours are “death within 28 days of a positive test” you could get run over by a bus and be counted. Other places it has to be listed as a cause on the death certificate
Ok thanks, I’m not going to check how many people in the UK have been run over by a bus in the last 28 days. Maybe tomorrow, If someone hasn’t already checked ! But to read that we have had 1820 today which now means we have the highest death rate in the world naturally makes me wonder why. Is it really Only the UK that use deaths within 28 days of a positive test ?
 

philw696

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I have always maintained that fabric face coverings could do more harm than good, the French seem to thing they may not be helping:

Living here in France it's been talked about over the last week.
Waiting in anticipation at the moment as the numbers a lot lower than the UK but the Government want less than 5,000 new infections a day.
 

CatmanV2

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Like most others, trying to find something positive, and if you look hard enough you will find them. But I have a genuine question and should not feel ill at ease to ask it ! This evening I read that the UK now has the highest death rate in the World, why ?.
Umm, I have to go back a stage and ask 'what do you mean by death rate'?
Deaths per day?
Deaths per year?
Death per head of population?
Death per number of people infected?

Got a link to the original statement? Certainly by some measures we have, and some of the answers are perfectly accurate. By other measures we haven't.

And it's a perfectly fair question. Phil's comment was also totally fair, but not quite the unmitigated negative that a reduction of nuance can lead us to believe.

Hopefully someone took something of a message that "It's bad, but it might not be as bad as you think"

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Saigon

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Umm, I have to go back a stage and ask 'what do you mean by death rate'?
Deaths per day?
Deaths per year?
Death per head of population?
Death per number of people infected?

Got a link to the original statement? Certainly by some measures we have, and some of the answers are perfectly accurate. By other measures we haven't.

And it's a perfectly fair question. Phil's comment was also totally fair, but not quite the unmitigated negative that a reduction of nuance can lead us to believe.

Hopefully someone took something of a message that "It's bad, but it might not be as bad as you think"

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There was absolutely nothing wrong with Phil’s comment, a very fair comment indeed and quite acceptable and justified, not sure why you have any concerns with it.