Are you worried yet.

[spkennyuk]

I see Pfizer are now testing it on 12-15 year old kids...many of whom will be going through puberty.

Covid Trials for Kids Get Started With First Results by Mid-2021

William Brown has yet to set foot in a classroom during his freshman year of high school -- kept at home, like many students, by the pandemic.

www.bloomberg.com

Since the start of the pandemic to 22/12 in the UK 27 individuals below the age of 19 have died.
6 had no underlying health problems.

Whilst each death is sad I find it horrifying that anyone thinks this age group requires a vaccine against this virus and that its being tested on them.

What could possibly go wrong.

I think it is more to do with that the school age and student age groups would appear to be carrying the virus with little or no symptoms.

They are not alone by any means others across all age groups are asymptomatic but the numbers appear to be higher for children of school age and young adults in higher education. However for every young person that gets the vaccine is helping to stem the transmission rate. Helping to further protect the most at risk. Parents, Grandparents, friends and fellow bus travelling or class / year / school groups. The young in general have more contact with more people.

The interesting thing about the vaccines is that the manufacturers under the speeded up process rules for testing and approval are protected against any claims if there are any side effects days , months or years down the line. If they happen to make a bad batch via a manufacturing fault then they are liable. They are not liable if its found in a few years time that vaccine (A) caused damage to anybody that took that vaccine or for arguments sake their unborn children suffered some form of illness as a result of the parent having the vaccine.

Dont get me wrong i will have either vaccine when its offered. It goes against the grain a little when we have been told time and time again that the vaccines have gone through the same testing as normal just at an accelerated rate. So why the need of the European wide get out clause. Its not often you hear anything on the news about the indemnity that will protect the vaccine companies should anything go wrong.

 

[Wattie]

I think it is more to do with that the school age and student age groups would appear to be carrying the virus with little or no symptoms.

They are not alone by any means others across all age groups are asymptomatic but the numbers appear to be higher for children of school age and young adults in higher education. However for every young person that gets the vaccine is helping to stem the transmission rate. Helping to further protect the most at risk. Parents, Grandparents, friends and fellow bus travelling or class / year / school groups. The young in general have more contact with more people.

The interesting thing about the vaccines is that the manufacturers under the speeded up process rules for testing and approval are protected against any claims if there are any side effects days , months or years down the line. If they happen to make a bad batch via a manufacturing fault then they are liable. They are not liable if its found in a few years time that vaccine (A) caused damage to anybody that took that vaccine or for arguments sake their unborn children suffered some form of illness as a result of the parent having the vaccine.

Dont get me wrong i will have either vaccine when its offered. It goes against the grain a little when we have been told time and time again that the vaccines have gone through the same testing as normal just at an accelerated rate. So why the need of the European wide get out clause. Its not often you hear anything on the news about the indemnity that will protect the vaccine companies should anything go wrong.

I agree with your comments re indemnity- it gives them a blank Cheque.

However, there is little or no proof (yet) that being vaccinated stops transmission so that information could be gathered from vaccinated adults- not putting a bunch of kids at risk who are literally not affected by the virus at at all!

 

[Packtech]

Sitting here in a bar in Yangon having a lunchtime beer, just sneezed a couple of times and appear to suddenly have four tables to myself. I do have a couple of masks with me, but no good when drinking beer.

I could do that with just one F*rt..

 

[Silvercat]

Seems to me it’s very important to have a full and frank discussion with a Dr if you have any concerns, allergies, underlying conditions etc.
My Mum was advised by her Gp not to have the Pfizer jab (her GP had it and felt dreadful for 2-3 days after it) and that the Astra Z would be more suitable for her.

The newly announced and highly questionable Govt Pfizer vaccine 2nd dose timescales surely mean it’s preferable to choose a 1 dose alternative vaccine over 2 dose guesswork.

Covid-19 vaccination: What’s the evidence for extending the dosing interval?

On 30 December the four UK chief medical officers announced that the second doses of the covid vaccines should be given towards the end of 12 weeks rather than in the previously recommended 3-4 weeks. Gareth Iacobucci and Elisabeth Mahase look at the questions this has raised In a letter sent...

www.bmj.com

I can't have the Pfizer vaccine because I am allergic to penicillin. So it's the Oxford AZ or nothing for me, when the time comes and they havent run out of course.

 

[Silvercat]

I agree with your comments re indemnity- it gives them a blank Cheque.

However, there is little or no proof (yet) that being vaccinated stops transmission so that information could be gathered from vaccinated adults- not putting a bunch of kids at risk who are literally not affected by the virus at at all!

But doesn't every vaccine come with a manufacturers indemnity? Not sure if the Covid vaccines is really that different.
By the way my understanding is that the Oxford AZ vaccines is largely developed on the back of research data already in play for an Ebola vaccine which had been in development for several years before Covid. So they have 'repurposed' the research data to give them a head start in its development and to help derisk it. It's actually based on a Chimpanzee adenovirus.

 

[CatmanV2]

But doesn't every vaccine come with a manufacturers indemnity

Pretty sure they do, but really CBA any more

C

 

[doodlebug]

 

[Wattie]

Has anyone heard from @daverichardson?
Noticed he hasn’t been on here for a while.

 

[Wack61]

More political fuckery.

They're only saying you can catch it twice so they can drag Boris off the TV again

 

[spkennyuk]

But doesn't every vaccine come with a manufacturers indemnity? Not sure if the Covid vaccines is really that different.
By the way my understanding is that the Oxford AZ vaccines is largely developed on the back of research data already in play for an Ebola vaccine which had been in development for several years before Covid. So they have 'repurposed' the research data to give them a head start in its development and to help derisk it. It's actually based on a Chimpanzee adenovirus.

Pfizer given protection from legal action over coronavirus vaccine by UK government

Pfizer’s UK boss refuses to explain why the business needs protection from legal action

www.independent.co.uk

Im not aware of any standard indemnity for vaccines but either way why would pfizer and co want further indemnity levels. It is just odd to me when we are told they have speeded up the process but all the same tests and level of testing have been done.

It doesnt quite stack up between the two.

 

[spkennyuk]

I agree with your comments re indemnity- it gives them a blank Cheque.

However, there is little or no proof (yet) that being vaccinated stops transmission so that information could be gathered from vaccinated adults- not putting a bunch of kids at risk who are literally not affected by the virus at at all!

I agree that there is little or no proof it will stop transmission nor will there be until more people are vaccinated. However if your vaccinate 100% of the school age children with a 70 to 90% protection rate then surely that means only 30% or below are possible carriers thus reducing the transmission rate.

They could obviously be carrying covid through contact but not be breathing the virus out post vaccination.

 

[Wattie]

I agree that there is little or no proof it will stop transmission nor will there be until more people are vaccinated. However if your vaccinate 100% of the school age children with a 70 to 90% protection rate then surely that means only 30% or below are possible carriers thus reducing the transmission rate.

They could obviously be carrying covid through contact but not be breathing the virus out post vaccination.

I’m not sure it means that at all.
There’s little or no evidence that anyone vaccinated doesn’t still potentially transmit it.....they just don’t potentially feel the effects or they’re less serious for those vulnerable potentially. Kids rarely feel the effects so why vaccinate them?
These MRNA vaccines have never been injected in humans prior to now.
Big black hole of unknowns.

 

[Wack61]

They're saying on itv Biden is reinstating the UK travel ban to the US over the new variant , then you read police have handed out £15,600 in fines to over 300 people at a rave in London yesterday

This year is going to be another write off at this rate

 

[Zep]

These MRNA vaccines have never been injected in humans prior to now.

The QI klaxon has just gone off. Here is some info for you.

Table 2 Clinical trials with mRNA vaccines against infectious diseases

www.nature.com

 

[Wattie]

The QI klaxon has just gone off. Here is some info for you.

Table 2 Clinical trials with mRNA vaccines against infectious diseases

www.nature.com

Perhaps I should have worded it better.
Up till now no MRNA vaccine or drug has been licensed for use in humans.......from any previous trial.

 

[Zep]

Perhaps I should have worded it better.
Up till now no MRNA vaccine or drug has been licensed for use in humans.......from any previous trial.

There you go. Much less alarmist than “never injected into humans”. We know you aren’t a fan of the vaccine, that’s your choice, just don’t undermine it for others.

 

[Nayf]

Just watching a few YouTube car related videos from my subscribers list.
Very disappointing, the first lockdown it was largely respected, however presently car reviews as normal, 'just out for a nice drive reviewing xyz'....
If I unsubscribe those that are blatantly breaking the current rules, I'll have nothing to watch.
Maybe not a bad thing.

They’re working, they’re not breaking any rules.

 

[Wattie]

There you go. Much less alarmist than “never injected into humans”. We know you aren’t a fan of the vaccine, that’s your choice, just don’t undermine it for others.

As I’ve said before, i’m not an anti-vaccer.

 

[dgmx5]

I can't have the Pfizer vaccine because I am allergic to penicillin. So it's the Oxford AZ or nothing for me, when the time comes and they havent run out of course.

Is that the case? See:

https://www.sps.nhs.uk/articles/adv...ability-for-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine/ and

Vaccinating against covid-19 in people who report allergies

Most patients can be reassured and vaccinated Use of the Pfizer-BioNTech covid-19 vaccine in people with a history of severe allergies was temporarily stopped in the UK after two healthcare workers experienced anaphylactic reactions in early December. The Medicines and Healthcare Products...

www.bmj.com

Allergy and anaphylaxis are not the same. If you are allergic to penicillin (I have an antibiotic allergy/intolerance but can't ever remember to which I have but end up with something else which I can also not remember which it is), the guidance appears to be that you can still have the Pfizer/Biontech vaccine.

 

[Silvercat]

Is that the case? See:

https://www.sps.nhs.uk/articles/adv...ability-for-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine/ and

Vaccinating against covid-19 in people who report allergies

Most patients can be reassured and vaccinated Use of the Pfizer-BioNTech covid-19 vaccine in people with a history of severe allergies was temporarily stopped in the UK after two healthcare workers experienced anaphylactic reactions in early December. The Medicines and Healthcare Products...

www.bmj.com

Allergy and anaphylaxis are not the same. If you are allergic to penicillin (I have an antibiotic allergy/intolerance but can't ever remember to which I have but end up with something else which I can also not remember which it is), the guidance appears to be that you can still have the Pfizer/Biontech vaccine.

Yep....you're right. I checked with the GP today when having some blood tests and she said it was OK to.