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Wattie

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For starters .............................and yes Wattie cashless society is part of the agenda .................and has it happens was originally due to be piloted in New Zealand

What i think is being played out now is exactly what and how the media have engineered the average thinkng man to evalute thus far , whether or not our government or other governments are behind and in unison is up for debate , but regardless its all intended to cause utter confusion , to deliberately install multiple ideas/remedies into the public arena is by design to create a divide and rule .................and the answer being proposed to fix all this confusion is

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/o...-to-cope-with-covid-19-says-former-british-pm





A centralised solution......that’s the US then as they’d never let anyone else run the show.

The Feds effectively trying the centralised solution now By buying everything, everywhere at the moment.....it has become the Central bank of last resort.

I’d like to think that everyone now realised that politicians and bankers are the reason we’re in this mess and therefore they do not form part of the future solution. They all need to stand trial for what they have created.

Somehow I don’t think most understand this.
 
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lifes2short

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Reports this morning that China has underreported the Covid-19 impact by a factor of x40.
No great surprise if they have played it down, but by a factor of x40!!!
Some of the hospital and mortuary planning that going on makes more sense now.

doesn't surprise me one bit always thought they were covering up the true figures, you don't just suddenly plan to build a new hospital in a week, their numbers would be mind boggling
 

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For starters .............................and yes Wattie cashless society is part of the agenda .................and has it happens was originally due to be piloted in New Zealand

What i think is being played out now is exactly what and how the media have engineered the average thinkng man to evalute thus far , whether or not our government or other governments are behind and in unison is up for debate , but regardless its all intended to cause utter confusion , to deliberately install multiple ideas/remedies into the public arena is by design to create a divide and rule .................and the answer being proposed to fix all this confusion is

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/o...-to-cope-with-covid-19-says-former-british-pm



How long do you think it will be before the guy in the video gets infected, if he’s not already caught it?
 

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OK, I'll have a go.

Most Western countries will go through the peak level of hospitalisations and deaths over the next one to two months (maybe 3). Following this, sufficient numbers of people will have recovered from the illness (having had symptoms from nil to near death) and testing will be sufficiently available to demonstrate this. Only the vulnerable will need to maintain any level of isolation, despite the reduced level of infections, due to continuing risk to them if they did happen to get it. Death rates will be negligible in population terms, but the Press and citizenry will still report individual coronavirus tragedies, continuing to ignore the underlying population death rates.

Over the following 3 to 9 months (depending on country) most people will return to broadly normal life, although the very vulnerable will still be rightly nervous, and somewhat frustrated at being increasingly ignored. However, recovering capacity in health infrastructure and improved treatments will be encouraging for these people, with an increasing volume of recovery stories. Trump will be re-elected, as his hard-core supporters turn out in force to celebrate his strong leadership during the crisis, and Biden's campaign becomes lacklustre due to him being dead.

In much of the developing world, death rates will peak a bit later, due to lower rates of international and inter-regional travel, but will be worse due to less effective heath systems and infrastructure. But they will cope better, both emotionally and economically, due to an underlying higher mortality rate and more basic infrastructure disguising the impact somewhat. Population immunity will develop at about the same rate as in developed countries, and widespread testing will be rolled out by WHO, aid organisations and local healthcare systems.

Gradually, over the next 12 months, as death rates stabilise and the number of people who have recovered increases, there will a resumption of almost full normality including international travel. There will be a small economic boom world-wide as people spend more freely (using both government handouts and savings), as they come out of the period of restriction. Notably with older people, who have been hoarding wealth, now realising they need to live more actively. Governments will become concerned about the inflationary effect of their lax monetary policies during the crisis. The stock market will rise and the value of gold will drop like a stone, and not just because Wattie timed his shift into equities perfectly.

Social behaviours and working practices will generally return to normal, with people keen to get together in person again, frustrated by the inadequacies of 'distant socialising', video-conferencing and working from home. There will be no changes to the pay and conditions of 'beloved essential workers' like nurses and checkout clerks, but celebrities, footballers and CEOs will see a 10% rise in their earnings as usual. There will be no change in social attitudes or in care for the plant as almost everybody returns to their old ways. There will be a boom in both recruitment and conference attendance.

The Press will orchestrate a public witch-hunt about the handling of the crisis with the normal phases 3-6 of any incident like this: Hunt for the Guilty, Punish the Innocent and Reward the Uninvolved. Boris will be declared to be the saviour of the nation or public enemy number one, or possibly both.

Over the following years, the disease will remain something of a problem, adding about 2-10% to previous levels of global annual influenza/pneumonia deaths. Although there will be a fairly effective programme of vaccination for the vulnerable, plus a strong level of underlying immunity in the population. Consequently, winter deaths rates in the UK will increase from the previous average of 10,000 to 15,000 people per week to more like 11,000 to 17,000 per week.

After 2-3 years, serious scientific studies of the whole crisis will emerge which will be fairly contradictory, especially when wildly misinterpreted by the scientifically and statistically illiterate Press. We will start to look back on 2020 with embarrassment as we start to feel, rightly or wrongly, that we all got a bit overexcited about the whole thing.
Some interesting and rather amusing observations there.

My concern is that those that recover seem to be physically damaged by the experience......concerning for a second wave if there is no immunity.

I particularly liked the Biden comment. Luckily for him his dementia let’s him wake up each day oblivious to what’s going on.

Don’t believe me, watch these videos, incredible.



 

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But havent you guys noticed ............................god we have NHS workers some high level , others throwing stats around left right and centre , and no one on the media or in Government is turning round and displaying the fundamental question , ...........................How to make it really easy for Joe Public to understand all this which may or may not help them to understand the seriousness of the situation , We need it in black and white ................but they are not giving it to us ...................what is................ it

I'll mention it again we need to start off with the fact we have already been told that up to 45/50% of the nation are already infected, partially born out by the fact so many people think they have already had it or something similar

We need to see clearly the weekly /monthly figures of so called ( corona related ) related deaths as opposed to those figures for the same period of previous years , its very apparent and clear to me that the government and media are being deliberately misleading by counting all the recent deaths of people at home or in hospital as a direct result of being positive for corona ...............implying therefore the death was a direct result of the virus , Basically if one died of kidney failure or heart attack at the moment and were tested positive corona .............you lumped into the death corona death toll ..............................which isnt right in my view ................... and give a sensationalist/distortion of the true facts .

The resultant scaremongeing has allowed the majority of Joe public to accept easily the tighting up of security law and order changes rapidly and without question. Very similar to 911 ..........to be realistic some of which will never revert back as before ....as in 911 create the fear and the public will encourage the changes.

Its my view we are being played , for what ...................... we have all heard it banded about over 20 years now, New World Order ...........Globalist Society ................cashless society all could so easily be very real now, and all of the above have current population explosion remedies .

Why now , is it because China is so close to becoming the No1 economy and as Wattie would say a global reset has been long overdue ,

If its none of the above , then i foretell a surgical strike against China in the coming 6 months ahead , hitting China with financial sanctions will not make a blind bit of difference , either way its a bleak outlook
 

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I would suggest it is impossible to fathom anything at the moment. There is just too much uncertainty. So it will remain pure guesswork most of which will be likely proved wrong. A bit like the guesswork of economists!

Plus, I suspect all such efforts will be heavily laden with doom and gloom rather than positivity, and it feels like there is more than enough of that around at the moment. People are resilient and the world and economy will bounce back, and for some this will happen much faster than for others. It was ever thus.
I agree, but the world will bounce back in a different shape and I very much doubt we will resume life in exactly the same place before all of this kicked off. There will be an awful lot of businesses (and associated jobs) which will no longer exist but new businesses and industries will rise from these 'economic ashes', it just might take a few years of hardship before get there.
TBH the global economy needs a complete 'reset' and urgently needs to move towards a much more constructive attitude and direction towards the environment rather than an economy built on the back of wantant destruction. The really positive thing coming out of this, is more and more of us are recognising this and want to drive change in how we live, work and respect the planet that we have.....the sooner the better.
 

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OK, I'll have a go.

Most Western countries will go through the peak level of hospitalisations and deaths over the next one to two months (maybe 3). Following this, sufficient numbers of people will have recovered from the illness (having had symptoms from nil to near death) and testing will be sufficiently available to demonstrate this. Only the vulnerable will need to maintain any level of isolation, despite the reduced level of infections, due to continuing risk to them if they did happen to get it. Death rates will be negligible in population terms, but the Press and citizenry will still report individual coronavirus tragedies, continuing to ignore the underlying population death rates.

Over the following 3 to 9 months (depending on country) most people will return to broadly normal life, although the very vulnerable will still be rightly nervous, and somewhat frustrated at being increasingly ignored. However, recovering capacity in health infrastructure and improved treatments will be encouraging for these people, with an increasing volume of recovery stories. Trump will be re-elected, as his hard-core supporters turn out in force to celebrate his strong leadership during the crisis, and Biden's campaign becomes lacklustre due to him being dead.

In much of the developing world, death rates will peak a bit later, due to lower rates of international and inter-regional travel, but will be worse due to less effective heath systems and infrastructure. But they will cope better, both emotionally and economically, due to an underlying higher mortality rate and more basic infrastructure disguising the impact somewhat. Population immunity will develop at about the same rate as in developed countries, and widespread testing will be rolled out by WHO, aid organisations and local healthcare systems.

Gradually, over the next 12 months, as death rates stabilise and the number of people who have recovered increases, there will a resumption of almost full normality including international travel. There will be a small economic boom world-wide as people spend more freely (using both government handouts and savings), as they come out of the period of restriction. Notably with older people, who have been hoarding wealth, now realising they need to live more actively. Governments will become concerned about the inflationary effect of their lax monetary policies during the crisis. The stock market will rise and the value of gold will drop like a stone, and not just because Wattie timed his shift into equities perfectly.

Social behaviours and working practices will generally return to normal, with people keen to get together in person again, frustrated by the inadequacies of 'distant socialising', video-conferencing and working from home. There will be no changes to the pay and conditions of 'beloved essential workers' like nurses and checkout clerks, but celebrities, footballers and CEOs will see a 10% rise in their earnings as usual. There will be no change in social attitudes or in care for the plant as almost everybody returns to their old ways. There will be a boom in both recruitment and conference attendance.

The Press will orchestrate a public witch-hunt about the handling of the crisis with the normal phases 3-6 of any incident like this: Hunt for the Guilty, Punish the Innocent and Reward the Uninvolved. Boris will be declared to be the saviour of the nation or public enemy number one, or possibly both.

Over the following years, the disease will remain something of a problem, adding about 2-10% to previous levels of global annual influenza/pneumonia deaths. Although there will be a fairly effective programme of vaccination for the vulnerable, plus a strong level of underlying immunity in the population. Consequently, winter deaths rates in the UK will increase from the previous average of 10,000 to 15,000 people per week to more like 11,000 to 17,000 per week.

After 2-3 years, serious scientific studies of the whole crisis will emerge which will be fairly contradictory, especially when wildly misinterpreted by the scientifically and statistically illiterate Press. We will start to look back on 2020 with embarrassment as we start to feel, rightly or wrongly, that we all got a bit overexcited about the whole thing.
If you really think this is how it will be then I will be extremely surprised. It is very unlikely that many affected either directly or indirectly will return back to the status quo as it was before the virus.
 

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Please tell me you don't genuinely believe that video?

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Of course not , but i do genuinely think its no where near as bad or serious as its being portrayed , having had malaria twice , hepatitis once , worked in Sierra Leone and Liberia during the ebola crisis , muddled my way through certain war zones ..................i see it as an over reaction ...................but i will play my part so as not to endanger others ...............untill such time that events cause me think and act otherwise
 
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But havent you guys noticed ........................................but they are not giving it to us ................. scaremongeing h..................... accept easily the tighting up of security law and order changes .................create the fear and the public will encourage the changes........... we are being played , for what ...................... ....New World Order ...........Globalist Society .............................i foretell a surgical strike .............bleak outlook

I love how many people (not necessarily accusing anyone here) symutaneously know that their boss is an idiot and all politivians have no clue,
If you really think this is how it will be then I will be extremely surprised. It is very unlikely that many affected either directly or indirectly will return back to the status quo as it was before the virus.

I think history tells us that people pretty quickly revert to 'normal human behaviour' after a crisis, even if there are a few superficial changes. 200,000 years of evolution is more powerful than a brief drama.
 

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Have Clever is this ?

Not sure why this matters. There are many thousands who have the disease already. We are not currently incarcerating people with symptoms, just asking them to choose to self-isolate. So what difference does a few more make, just because they are standing at an airport, rather than standing at Sainsburys?
 
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Tom Bradbury on N at 10 last night emotionally proclaimed about the 13 year old succumbing to the virus
A very charged piece of erm journalism
Today the powers are performing an autopsy on the poor lad to determine the cause of death which at time of writing may or may not have been the virus.
The man (Bradbury) is an ****. Why cannot the media present facts and not sensationalise.
Don't get me started on Piers.
It was not my choice to watch either of these prog's but many people do. I will defer from now on
 
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MarkMas

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The Clever British PM.

OMG! Massive security breech!

Oh, wait....

"In the worst-case scenario, the meeting ID will be reused, the meeting is not protected by a password, and an eavesdropper is able to join. "
"A Downing Street spokesman said new IDs were being generated each time the software was used."



Phew! Just click-bait.
 

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that shouldn't be an excuse surely otherwise where does that argument end :confused:

It's about where you deploy your resources. If you have limited testing capability, then it is better to use the test to see if a nurse with a sniffle can go back to work because it's only hayfever, than to test if any of 100 stranded holidaymakers on their way home to lock-down might have it.
 

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It's about where you deploy your resources. If you have limited testing capability, then it is better to use the test to see if a nurse with a sniffle can go back to work because it's only hayfever, than to test if any of 100 stranded holidaymakers on their way home to lock-down might have it.

wasn't talking about testing at airports, although clearly we are fairly late to that party, but having at least a temperature forehead hand held device as per other countries, hardly any resources involved there and i did experience that in the catania airport some 8 weeks ago so italians did have something in place at that point
 
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