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Rwc13

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I'm 32 and am a little fed up of this attitude, I feel as though my respect should be earned.... many "older" people are rude and stand-offish - certainly does nothing for me to be pleasant to someone... does not matter of what their age is. Smile be kind and you will get the same in return!

And yes I agree with the sentiment that "old people" have screwed over the younger generations.... I think my generation were pretty lost anyway (house prices that have increased up to ten fold in some places in 20 years while pay has stayed largely the same) but this will really slow down the progression of the 18-26 year old bracket into good jobs and their own homes... if we leave the EU or not the economic effect has a lasting effect.
Why do the young seem to think the world will stop for them if we leave the EU. Surely more “fake news” from the remain camp. How do you account then for all the non-EU people from the US, Canada, Australia, NZ, India etc etc that work in the UK and other EU members states. Sure there might be a bit of process to go through, and the need for a persons skills might even need to be demonstrated in some cases. But they have never seemed to be particularly high bars for everybody else.
 

FIFTY

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House buying is one issue but young people getting access to good jobs is another. I graduated in 2010 and it took a lot of tenacity and several years of hard work in order to get my earnings up to be able to afford my current lifestyle... The only peers of mine who made it big quick after graduating all got into PPI!

Several companies I know through work are struggling with succession plans it seems to be a wide spread problem but the young adult graduates are stuck earning **** wage in call centres... Or they work for these practices and are never taken seriously because they are stuck at "junior status" regardless how hard they work because their boss cannot take someone in their 20s or early 30s seriously... until they have enough and move on to another company to enter a more senior role at which point ex-boss man realises he is losing an asset who worked for well below the going rate; oh well onto the next to be exploited

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I was paying a mortgage on that day it hit 15% and I was scared stiff!
I remember a memoir of John Major and Norman Lamont (?) saying they were in a room listening to BBC radio at the time and that interest rates were the only control they had. So who actually runs this place?
 

safrane

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I don't understand how 'Old People' have screwed the young. OK they may have benefited from a number of policies during their generation but the world is a different place now not just the UK.
 

Oneball

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In answer to why the young feel they’ve been screwed by the old :

Brexit:
As I said earlier, rightly or wrongly we believe the vote to leave was a vote to be isolationist, for Britain to step back from the rest world and no longer be part of global society just so we could decide on how straight our cucumbers are.

In general:
My parents generation have taken the benefits given to them, final salary pensions, house price booms, job for life, improved health care and a longer lifespan and have now stopped paying taxes, lived too long, become a burden on the NHS and left their children with the prospect of never retiring or being able to go into Sainsbury’s on Saturday morning without getting stuck in a queue of old people who’ve forgotten their Nectar card.
 

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Why do the young seem to think the world will stop for them if we leave the EU. Surely more “fake news” from the remain camp. How do you account then for all the non-EU people from the US, Canada, Australia, NZ, India etc etc that work in the UK and other EU members states. Sure there might be a bit of process to go through, and the need for a persons skills might even need to be demonstrated in some cases. But they have never seemed to be particularly high bars for everybody else.

Brexit panic!

Next thing we will all be going to the supermarket to stock up the freezer for 3 litre bottles of milk and sliced white bread because they are going to brick up the entrance to the channel tunnel

But seriously this is what i am talking about in post no 547. There was no factual information provided for the lay people.... I studied EU politics at university for a year and it was probably the most difficult modules to grasp... The leave and remain campaign assumed that the general population are a lot more informed than the reality... None of this basic info was provided
 

safrane

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You can still pick up houses cheap in the UK, its just that decent jobs are not in the same area. Use the resources of the whole UK and not just the SE and home counties and the problem would ease.
 

FIFTY

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In answer to why the young feel they’ve been screwed by the old :

Brexit:
As I said earlier, rightly or wrongly we believe the vote to leave was a vote to be isolationist, for Britain to step back from the rest world and no longer be part of global society just so we could decide on how straight our cucumbers are.

This^^^

Also the fact that the same generation that voted in back in 1975 and enjoyed the benefits of the EU then vote us out and starve the generations beneath of the same benefits/opportunities
 

Rwc13

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However, won’t many of the same “young” be the first generation beneficiaries of home ownership passed on from their parents?
 

Wanderer

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However, won’t many of the same “young” be the first generation beneficiaries of home ownership passed on from their parents?
Yes, but one house, two/three/four kids?

Enough for a new Ferrari/Lambo/Maser, but not enough for a deposit on a house in UK that's anywhere near anywhere where there is work.

Also reading the news, banking roles are 40% down, not entirely surprising, it's gone the Frankfurt, Dublin, Zurich and Luxembourg...

Still, the UK has a a massive market of taxi drivers and takeways drivers for BMW/MB/VW to sell to, eh? It's all we do now, cheap takeaways and cheaper taxis....
 

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Not in my case.
Mine neither, I'm not complaining because I think you do have to struggle to get what you want, but I can honestly say I've never had any inheritance, windfall, big win, lucky break, nowt!!

I sold my Shergold Marathon 6 Bass for 180 quid after buying it for about 165 quid, profit! Last year bought a similar one to replace it cos I was doing my nostalgia bit, 1200 quid....

'Pon my demise - the cheque book of life will show I'll still be ever so slightly in the minus...
 

Phil the Brit

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So my pension came to fruition at age 60. It is now moving to age 67.
I wonder what age that pensionable age will be in say the year 2030. What about 2040?
Facts are that people of my age and the next generation are going to be a massive drain on young peoples resources.
Perhaps killing off the old people will be be legal by then.
Not that this has anything to do with Brexit but there have been several thread deviations on here already so what the heck is one more. Unless of course anyone can tie it in?
 
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Wanderer

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So my pension came to fruition at age 60. It is now moving to age 67.
I wonder what age that pensionable age will be in say the year 2030. What about 2040?
Facts are that people of my age and the next generation are going to be a massive drain on young peoples resources.
Perhaps killing off the old people will be be legal by then.
I'm 57, I'm prepared to work till I drop, which is fine, I feel fit, work isn't toil anymore like it was, and I'd hate the thought of doing nothing. Even if my body goes, I'll write poetry or books!
 

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Pie nails it again.



It's true May hasn't got a clue. Spineless ***** she is. Brexit has shown that politicians are out for themselves and only themselves. It's a sad state but Pie is right No deal is far better. I really just hope that we get to March and we leave by default. It would show that democracy still exists and that the politicians running both UK and the un-elected EU Bureaucrats can't bargain or negotiate their way out of a paper bag. Shameful to be a Brit really. We just wanted a fair and just referendum and ended up with this ****.
 

Oneball

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So my pension came to fruition at age 60. It is now moving to age 67.
I wonder what age that pensionable age will be in say the year 2030. What about 2040?
Facts are that people of my age and the next generation are going to be a massive drain on young peoples resources.
Perhaps killing off the old people will be be legal by then.
Not that this has anything to do with Brexit but there have been several thread deviations on here already so what the heck is one more. Unless of course anyony can tie it in?

I reckon I can. The only way we are going to sort out the issue of an aging population is with immigration. But we don’t want immigrants they’re stealing all the jobs from the true Brits that’s why we need to leave the EU.

Weirdly one of the few people in my office who voted to leave did so because he thought there were too many immigrants coming from the EU. His parents are immigrants, they came here in the 70s.
 

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The fact is that we didn't vote 'in' in 1975. We were taken into or we 'joined', if you believe we had a say in it, a trading partnership which is vastly different to what we ended up being part of.
 

dgmx5

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It's true May hasn't got a clue. Spineless ***** she is. Brexit has shown that politicians are out for themselves and only themselves. It's a sad state but Pie is right No deal is far better. I really just hope that we get to March and we leave by default. It would show that democracy still exists and that the politicians running both UK and the un-elected EU Bureaucrats can't bargain or negotiate their way out of a paper bag. Shameful to be a Brit really. We just wanted a fair and just referendum and ended up with this ****.

Surely the most likely opposition to Mrs May right now is not Mr Corbyn but another Conservative MP.

I have long despised Mrs May from her time as Home Secretary, but I respect her commitment right now. Spineless is an adjective best reserved for Jacob Rees-Mogg, Boris Johnson, David Davies, Liam Fox, Dominic Raab... let's have a leadership challenge and see which of them can actually produce a better deal than what we have right now.
 

FIFTY

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The fact is that we didn't vote 'in' in 1975. We were taken into or we 'joined', if you believe we had a say in it, a trading partnership which is vastly different to what we ended up being part of.

Then surely it is the same as what is going on now?

We were presented with two options

- Remain in the EU = business as usual

- Leave the EU = ????

Whatever happens after we leave is now totally beyond the electorates control
 

jasst

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But seriously this is what i am talking about in post no 547. There was no factual information provided for the lay people.... I studied EU politics at university for a year and it was probably the most difficult modules to grasp... The leave and remain campaign assumed that the general population are a lot more informed than the reality... None of this basic info was provided

A very valid point, and on that basis you can blame the state we are now in firmly at the door of the remain camp for totally failing to highlight the pitfalls of leaving.