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lozcb

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Please dont give me that old slavery bit ( do some research from whence it started over 2000 years ago by the Africans themselves who were selling slaves to the Arabs and the Chinese and the Romans , Greeks and Egyptians .............................oiking up the past being deliberately selective to get the UK and US to feel guilty and claim compensation about what our forefathers did some 1500 years later is a bit negligent unless there is a particular agenda in play ..................its nothing to be ashamed of for our generation, we ( our forefathers ) just did it better and more efficiently than the previous slavers. 1) What i want to know is why the BLM and the Woke brigade arent targetting the Italians (Romans) the Greeks the Arabs and the Egyptians and the Chinese who all benefitted from slavery long before the UK and the US . 2) Why aent the BLM and Woke brigade targetting the statues and Pyramids in Egypt or pulling down the great wall of China or the Acropolis or Italian statues and historical buildings all built out of the fruits of slavery.

Surely in the name of equality and diversity these earlier perpetraters should also be focussed upon and have the light shed on them .....should they not ,
Surely the initiators of BLM of course must know all the historical research and facts about slavery ....................surely you wouldnt advocate and put so much emphasis to enrage people to fight your cause with only half the fact would you .................unless of course there was a different agenda in play. If you were Black and initiating the BLM agenda you would be aware of course that slavery ( black slavery still exists ) still perpetrated by black africans on black africans In Mali, in Chad and In Niger and CAR ..................because surely it must be more important to put all your efforts in to stopping what they say is so abominable , and i agree it is .................................which is why I question their true agenda ...................surely you would start at the beginning not half way through .........................or do you go for the easy money and the easy disruptance ..............I'll await your anwer on this one with glee Its a subject i know just a little bit about.

Why is it about the white man, thats a racist statement in itself ....................if your Woke that is ...........Why isnt it about a Chinese man or an Asian Arab or Black African Slavers.................darent mention that


"For example do you think it’s fair that a black person is more likely to be killed, beaten, arrested, or imprisoned than a white one? Not for anything they’ve done, just for being black" ( happens a lot more in Africa than it does here ...................by Balck Africans ) let them sort their **** out first Have you personally ever seen an African american in Africa .......................they look down on them something wicked mate , I work there, i see it every day mate from the NGO's and the UN they think they are superior because they have a few more assets ................would they resettle ..................mostly not

"Do you think women should be paid less than men for the same job?" ( No , I think they should be at home looking after and nurturing the kids like most black african mums do , if they must work and they do exactly the same job as a man the of course they salary should be the same. Tell me a job where this has never happened ...........and dont come out with the bbc rubbish

"Do you think disabled people are somehow less than their enabled counterparts?" ( as people certainly not .......in the work place in some instances yes they are more costly to employ in what services have to be adapted to accommodate them .....................do i think it should be mandatory for all companies to cover these costs ...........no i dont especially small companies

"What about lesbians, is it ok to fetishise women simply because of who they are attracted to and love, or should gay men be beat because of the same?" (Well if you ask Black Africans what they think (with BLM being intergral part of the Woke brigade ) they would say they should all be shot and hung , so i suggest they should get their own house in order forst before they start preaching to others and trying to convert others to adapt their lives to fit into their way of thinking ...............they are a minority group and a very small one at that ...................let them do their own thing as far as im concerned just dont affect my way of life please , im happy with the way that it is thankyou very much )
 
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Corranga

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Please dont give me that old slavery bit ( do some research from whence it started over 2000 years ago by the Africans themselves who were selling slaves to the Arabs and the Chinese and the Romans , Greeks and Egyptians .............................oiking up the past being deliberately selective to get the UK and US to feel guilty and claim compensation about what our forefathers did some 1500 years later is a bit negligent unless there is a particular agenda in play ..................its nothing to be ashamed of for our generation, we ( our forefathers ) just did it better and more efficiently than the previous slavers. 1) What i want to know is why the BLM and the Woke brigade arent targetting the Italians (Romans) the Greeks the Arabs and the Egyptians and the Chinese who all benefitted from slavery long before the UK and the US . 2) Why aent the BLM and Woke brigade targetting the statues and Pyramids in Egypt or pulling down the great wall of China or the Acropolis or Italian statues and historical buildings all built out of the fruits of slavery.

Surely in the name of equality and diversity these earlier perpetraters should also be focussed upon and have the light shed on them .....should they not ,
Surely the initiators of BLM of course must know all the historical research and facts about slavery ....................surely you wouldnt advocate and put so much emphasis to enrage people to fight your cause with only half the fact would you .................unless of course there was a different agenda in play. If you were Black and initiating the BLM agenda you would be aware of course that slavery ( black slavery still exists ) still perpetrated by black africans on black africans In Mali, in Chad and In Niger and CAR ..................because surely it must be more important to put all your efforts in to stopping what they say is so abominable , and i agree it is .................................which is why I question their true agenda ...................surely you would start at the beginning not half way through .........................or do you go for the easy money and the easy disruptance ..............I'll await your anwer on this one with glee Its a subject i know just a little bit about.

Why is it about the white man, thats a racist statement in itself ....................if your Woke that is ...........Why isnt it about a Chinese man or an Asian Arab or Black African Slavers.................darent mention that


"For example do you think it’s fair that a black person is more likely to be killed, beaten, arrested, or imprisoned than a white one? Not for anything they’ve done, just for being black" ( happens a lot more in Africa than it does here ...................by Balck Africans ) let them sort their **** out first Have you personally ever seen an African american in Africa .......................they look down on them something wicked mate , I work there, i see it every day mate from the NGO's and the UN they think they are superior because they have a few more assets ................would they resettle ..................mostly not

"Do you think women should be paid less than men for the same job?" ( No , I think they should be at home looking after and nurturing the kids like most black african mums do , if they must work and they do exactly the same job as a man the of course they salary should be the same. Tell me a job where this has never happened ...........and dont come out with the bbc rubbish

"Do you think disabled people are somehow less than their enabled counterparts?" ( as people certainly not .......in the work place in some instances yes they are more costly to employ in what services have to be adapted to accommodate them .....................do i think it should be mandatory for all companies to cover these costs ...........no i dont especially small companies

"What about lesbians, is it ok to fetishise women simply because of who they are attracted to and love, or should gay men be beat because of the same?" (Well if you ask Black Africans what they think (with BLM being intergral part of the Woke brigade ) they would say they should all be shot and hung , so i suggest they should get their own house in order forst before they start preaching to others and trying to convert others to adapt their lives to fit into their way of thinking ...............they are a minority group and a very small one at that ...................let them do their own thing as far as im concerned just dont affect my way of life please , im happy with the way that it is thankyou very much )

You seem to be transfixed somewhat on me saying slavery and BLM. You also seem to
I don’t need to do research on slavery, it was wrong then, it is wrong now, it don’t matter who started it. Sam Colt made the mass production of revolvers possible, I don’t blame him personally for everyone shot by one!

My point is that standing up for slavery is akin to standing up for social injustices based on someone’s skin colour, race, sex. Nothing more, nothing less. You’re the one talking about the history of it.
You also seem to it’s “about the white man” though you’re the only one who has said that. It’s not, it’s about everyone, it’s all our responsibilities to make the world a better place, though being white and male does immediately give more privilege than any other race / sex combo.
You seem to think it’s ok to classify the thoughts of an entire race (black Africans shooting lesbians, African American NGOs), it’s not, that’s racism.

On the whole, your entire argument seems to be based on odd historical facts and casual racism about your experiences with members of minority groups (I think it’s safe to assume you haven’t met all African Americans for example) and some obscure thought that there is a threat to your way of life.


What I don’t understand is what is so precious in your way of life that you think addressing these injustices will take away? What exactly is it you’re so worried about?

Black men in America get targeted by police, pulled over and shot more than white ones do, but why should we bother about that, their ancestors were involved in the slave trade, or their cousins act superior to Africans. What a load of ****. Utter victim blaming. Or do you genuinely believe that’s justice?
 

lozcb

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I guess it’s similar to what most people think of those who were on the side of slavery, once they realised what it meant, or those that believe a woman deserves to be raped because of the dress she wore, or that people from a certain race deserves to be treated worse, or even killed more than others.

It was you who mentioned slavery not me , i dont advocate it, and never implied that I do ,I said its Black Africans that have for 2 thousand years advocated and participated in slavery and still do to this day ....thats a fact .............no white man is ever been recorded in the west african slave trade as going out and capturing slaves in the bush, the slave markets were already in existance in the Gambia ,Senegal, and Ghana and organised by the Chiefs and Kings of those times . The white man should have no blame for that ....................in fact it was the UK that pushed and achieved it to be outlawed , even though it participated in the end user product in the previous 100 or so years.
My point is why BLM and The Woke culture arent spouting the whole message about slavery ................its directed soley at the white man and what they are teaching our young in schools now is only half the story ............which is wrong in my view why not tell the whole story ............ All people are oppressed in some shape of form by the heirachy ( not just black or gay people ) why bring colour into it or someones sexuality if your argument is about oppression.
This woke/blm culture will be seen through for what it is ( a diversionary tactic at best ) and will die its death similar to all the other hollow fads such as animals rights extremists /the ban the bomb supporters/extemists and Greenham common protesters blah blah , all sounds very poignant at the time and then we grow up and see life isnt that bad after all .
 

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The way I see it it's a 6% increase as you pay the vat in your country then the duty on top.

Was it not the case with secondhand that you didn't pay VAT? I bought an amp from Germany from a private seller for €1k, it was shipped to Ireland for free - total cost to me €1k. I sold its predecessor to a guy in the UK for £650 plus £25 shipping so UK buyer paid £650.

Today the UK transactions will incur local VAT and import duty so the purchase would remain the same for me but the sale to the UK would now cost the purchaser £650 plus 20 VAT plus duty plus shipping hence a 26% increase in price.

Pre Brexit I could buy a classic car from the UK private sale and assuming it was over 30 years old would only need to pay €200 for registration, now I have to pay 23% VAT on purchase price plus import duty plus the €200 VRT. The same is true buying from an auction house, no Vat charged on the sale other than the commission but then Irish VAT plus duty charged here. Once again the reverse is true not that any UK buyer would normally buy from Ireland as prices here are higher than the UK. I would assume this is true for any car sales from the UK to Europe.

Buying new from the UK is slightly better as I wouldn't pay UK VAT on an item but I would pay Irish VAT which is currently 23% plus an import duty charge with the reverse being the case selling to the UK. The extra hassle selling to the UK from our business perspective is just not worth the investment in changes to systems and processes so we have just withdrawn from the market other than NI where we can trade as per pre-brexit days.

The one area that is currently a benefit here though is any item under £20 from UK gets no VAT either end and no duty so lots of small purchases are now 20% cheaper assuming UK sellers will deliver which must won't.

I use to buy most things from the UK for ease of transaction but now I buy nearly everything direct fro Europe and have been quite surprised how European traders are much more helpful in terms of info, shipping and communications in general.
 
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Phil H

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life isn't that bad after all .
Oh yes it bl**dy well is, have you seen the price of unleaded lately? I'm a poor bleedin' pensioner for gawds sake and it ain't fair :(.

Here's a vote winner; all pensioners to get 25% discount at the pumps if they surrender the bus passes that keep those filthy polluting monstrosities on the roads. Think about it; no more grotty bus shelters to clog the pavements and give shelter to gangs of unruly kids, reduced drain on the public purse, and extra parking spaces for Maserati owners who drive cleaner vehicles and would more be able to afford the greener fuel. Win win huh?
 

lozcb

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Oh yes it bl**dy well is, have you seen the price of unleaded lately? I'm a poor bleedin' pensioner for gawds sake and it ain't fair :(.

Here's a vote winner; all pensioners to get 25% discount at the pumps if they surrender the bus passes that keep those filthy polluting monstrosities on the roads. Think about it; no more grotty bus shelters to clog the pavements and give shelter to gangs of unruly kids, reduced drain on the public purse, and extra parking spaces for Maserati owners who drive cleaner vehicles and would more be able to afford the greener fuel. Win win huh?
Thats the spirit where do i sign up :alan:
 

Oneball

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Was it not the case with secondhand that you didn't pay VAT? I bought an amp from Germany from a private seller for €1k, it was shipped to Ireland for free - total cost to me €1k. I sold its predecessor to a guy in the UK for £650 plus £25 shipping so UK buyer paid £650.

Today the UK transactions will incur local VAT and import duty so the purchase would remain the same for me but the sale to the UK would now cost the purchaser £650 plus 20 VAT plus duty plus shipping hence a 26% increase in price.

Pre Brexit I could buy a classic car from the UK private sale and assuming it was over 30 years old would only need to pay €200 for registration, now I have to pay 23% VAT on purchase price plus import duty plus the €200 VRT. The same is true buying from an auction house, no Vat charged on the sale other than the commission but then Irish VAT plus duty charged here. Once again the reverse is true not that any UK buyer would normally buy from Ireland as prices here are higher than the UK. I would assume this is true for any car sales from the UK to Europe.

Buying new from the UK is slightly better as I wouldn't pay UK VAT on an item but I would pay Irish VAT which is currently 23% plus an import duty charge with the reverse being the case selling to the UK. The extra hassle selling to the UK from our business perspective is just not worth the investment in changes to systems and processes so we have just withdrawn from the market other than NI where we can trade as per pre-brexit days.

The one area that is currently a benefit here though is any item under £20 from UK gets no VAT either end and no duty so lots of small purchases are now 20% cheaper assuming UK sellers will deliver which must won't.

I use to buy most things from the UK for ease of transaction but now I buy nearly everything direct fro Europe and have been quite surprised how European traders are much more helpful in terms of info, shipping and communications in general.

As I understand it If VAT was originally paid in the EU you shouldn’t be paying VAT on a secondhand item. If it wasn’t then you do.

So for example a Mercedes sold new in the EU then exported to the USA doesnt attract VAT if imported back to the EU but the same car sold new in the US and imported to the EU would.
 

Oneball

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Oh yes it bl**dy well is, have you seen the price of unleaded lately? I'm a poor bleedin' pensioner for gawds sake and it ain't fair :(.

Here's a vote winner; all pensioners to get 25% discount at the pumps if they surrender the bus passes that keep those filthy polluting monstrosities on the roads. Think about it; no more grotty bus shelters to clog the pavements and give shelter to gangs of unruly kids, reduced drain on the public purse, and extra parking spaces for Maserati owners who drive cleaner vehicles and would more be able to afford the greener fuel. Win win huh?

Think about all the Nissan Micras you’d be stuck behind.
 

zagatoes30

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As I understand it If VAT was originally paid in the EU you shouldn’t be paying VAT on a secondhand item. If it wasn’t then you do.

So for example a Mercedes sold new in the EU then exported to the USA doesnt attract VAT if imported back to the EU but the same car sold new in the US and imported to the EU would.

That would have been my thought process but it is not how it's being applied by either the HMRC or in my case the Irish revenue both are charging VAT again on transactions to and from UK - EU from what I can see
 

Oneball

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That would have been my thought process but it is not how it's being applied by either the HMRC or in my case the Irish revenue both are charging VAT again on transactions to and from UK - EU from what I can see

When I imported the Vette there was a form to fill in to saying for the tax relief due to the age. It didn’t happen automatically and wasn’t well advertised but the bit about the EU was in there as well.
 

Corranga

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It was you who mentioned slavery not me , i dont advocate it, and never implied that I do ,I said its Black Africans that have for 2 thousand years advocated and participated in slavery and still do to this day ....thats a fact .............no white man is ever been recorded in the west african slave trade as going out and capturing slaves in the bush, the slave markets were already in existance in the Gambia ,Senegal, and Ghana and organised by the Chiefs and Kings of those times . The white man should have no blame for that ....................in fact it was the UK that pushed and achieved it to be outlawed , even though it participated in the end user product in the previous 100 or so years.
My point is why BLM and The Woke culture arent spouting the whole message about slavery ................its directed soley at the white man and what they are teaching our young in schools now is only half the story ............which is wrong in my view why not tell the whole story ............ All people are oppressed in some shape of form by the heirachy ( not just black or gay people ) why bring colour into it or someones sexuality if your argument is about oppression.
This woke/blm culture will be seen through for what it is ( a diversionary tactic at best ) and will die its death similar to all the other hollow fads such as animals rights extremists /the ban the bomb supporters/extemists and Greenham common protesters blah blah , all sounds very poignant at the time and then we grow up and see life isnt that bad after all .

Once more, I only mentioned slavery as an analogy, I don’t really care about the origins of it, it’s all irrelevant. You are just making excuses to ignore the points I’m making.

You are stuck in blame culture mode.
I, and BLM, and ‘woke’ people literally don’t care about blame culture.

What we care about is what is happening now. The things with no reason for them.

A black man pulled over essentially for being black. Racial profiling by the police and killed due to it.

A woman raped and forced to admit it in a court with her rapist there in person.

An ‘Asian’ woman being cat called and having “love you long time” shouted at her.

A man being chosen for an equally or better qualified woman for the same job.

2 gay men being beaten for holding hands in the street.

Those in power, or with fame level exposure, in fact anyone normalising discrimination based on someone’s race, sex, sexuality on social media.

Meanwhile you’re standing pointing at a history book shouting about how white people never gathered slaves 1000 years ago.

It’s not about blame. It’s about prevention.
It’s not about repaying someone for something, it’s about making things better moving forwards.
 

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Corranga, post: 853201, member: 5265

What we care about is what is happening now. The things with no reason for them. - There's always a reason.

A black man pulled over essentially for being black. Racial profiling by the police and killed due to it. - Racial profiling is the same of criminal profiling, a group of characteristics associated with a crime. If 8% of the population are committing 50% of crimes surely there is just reason?

A woman raped and forced to admit it in a court with her rapist there in person - Unfortunately, or is that fortunately? you are innocent until proven guilty. I believe a victim of a rape does not have to be cross examined in the court these days.

An ‘Asian’ woman being cat called and having “love you long time” shouted at her - That's just standard abuse. Bit like ginger haired people being abused for the colour of their hair.

A man being chosen for an equally or better qualified woman for the same job - Not sure this happens so much these days. It's just there is a sense of self entitlement to a job, and if that person doesn't get it they pull out the sex/race/gender card. You never see women complaining about being turned down for a steel workers job on the base of their gender. Probably because women don't want those jobs. You don't always get what you want. (I'm sure that's a song).

2 gay men being beaten for holding hands in the street. - Again, that's just bigots with a small minds and equally small brains. That is a tiny minority.

Those in power, or with fame level exposure, in fact anyone normalising discrimination based on someone’s race, sex, sexuality on social media. - Who normalises 'proper' (not whining because life is unfair to them) discrimination?


The bottom line, there is a generation in the world who are so self entitled, they expect everything.
Education must take the blame here as schools no longer teach you that life is hard. In fact life is f*cking hard!
If you're taught that you can be whoever you want to be, great. Now teach them how to be it! That's the bit that is missing.
 
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lozcb

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Once more, I only mentioned slavery as an analogy, I don’t really care about the origins of it, it’s all irrelevant. You are just making excuses to ignore the points I’m making.

You are stuck in blame culture mode.
I, and BLM, and ‘woke’ people literally don’t care about blame culture.

What we care about is what is happening now. The things with no reason for them.

A black man pulled over essentially for being black. Racial profiling by the police and killed due to it.

A woman raped and forced to admit it in a court with her rapist there in person.

An ‘Asian’ woman being cat called and having “love you long time” shouted at her.

A man being chosen for an equally or better qualified woman for the same job.

2 gay men being beaten for holding hands in the street.

Those in power, or with fame level exposure, in fact anyone normalising discrimination based on someone’s race, sex, sexuality on social media.

Meanwhile you’re standing pointing at a history book shouting about how white people never gathered slaves 1000 years ago.

It’s not about blame. It’s about prevention.
It’s not about repaying someone for something, it’s about making things better moving forwards.

I suggest you just get on with life and enjoy it ,it is what it is ........... playing the victim card wont get you anywhere fast , whilst what your advocating is well intentioned it doesnt warrant disrupting the vast majority , there are recognised avenues for creating changes, holding up traffic and pulling down statues , teaching our kids distorted history isnt the right way to go about facilitating the changes you require
 

Corranga

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I suggest you just get on with life and enjoy it ,it is what it is ........... playing the victim card wont get you anywhere fast , whilst what your advocating is well intentioned it doesnt warrant disrupting the vast majority , there are recognised avenues for creating changes, holding up traffic and pulling down statues , teaching our kids distorted history isnt the right way to go about facilitating the changes you require

Totally agree. I don’t advocate any of your examples, the problem is, the right way is to educate and discuss in an open and honest way, but people, like you, don’t want to listen.

All I’m looking for is for people to think a little about things they say and do that might offend others and not to discriminate based on race etc. To recognise that others are worse off and to break that normalisation

It’s really not so hard and it really doesn’t change your life or position all that much. I honestly don’t understand why you are so resistant to that.
 

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I agree we should treat everyone fairly and equally. On the other hand do we not discriminate by having men's sport, women's sport, disabled sport? Surely just remove all bounderies and have them all as one, but then certain groups would never achieve the same level as others. Where does one thing become discrimination or not?
 

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Look, we are supposed to be having an unreasonable slanging match about Brexit in this thread, not repeating the old woke and discrimination arguments over and over again.

It is very simple:
Some people on here feel that discrimination is not a problem because: life is hard, everyone should just make what they can of it, not all white people are privileged, black people were involved in the slave trade, we haven't pulled down the pyramids, the majority shouldn't be inconvenienced and should be able to enjoy themselves, black people kill black people too, wokeness is annoying, its just victims playing the victim card, women should stay home, racial profiling is effective since many black people are criminals anyway, women don't want to be steelworkers, and only other people are bigots;
and some people think that is utterly appalling claptrap.

Let's just leave it at that.
 

CatmanV2

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Look, we are supposed to be having an unreasonable slanging match about Brexit in this thread, not repeating the old woke and discrimination arguments over and over again.

It is very simple:
Some people on here feel that discrimination is not a problem because: life is hard, everyone should just make what they can of it, not all white people are privileged, black people were involved in the slave trade, we haven't pulled down the pyramids, the majority shouldn't be inconvenienced and should be able to enjoy themselves, black people kill black people too, wokeness is annoying, its just victims playing the victim card, women should stay home, racial profiling is effective since many black people are criminals anyway, women don't want to be steelworkers, and only other people are bigots;
and some people think that is utterly appalling claptrap.

Let's just leave it at that.

(y)

I think

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Corranga

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Look, we are supposed to be having an unreasonable slanging match about Brexit in this thread, not repeating the old woke and discrimination arguments over and over again.

It is very simple:
Some people on here feel that discrimination is not a problem because: life is hard, everyone should just make what they can of it, not all white people are privileged, black people were involved in the slave trade, we haven't pulled down the pyramids, the majority shouldn't be inconvenienced and should be able to enjoy themselves, black people kill black people too, wokeness is annoying, its just victims playing the victim card, women should stay home, racial profiling is effective since many black people are criminals anyway, women don't want to be steelworkers, and only other people are bigots;
and some people think that is utterly appalling claptrap.

Let's just leave it at that.

I agree, we should get back to talking nonsense, there is no point trying to have a sensible conversation online.

I won't just leave it at that though, ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away. Ignorance is part of the problem, and if you continue to ignore it, you're also part of the problem.
I'll continue to call out things like casual racism, and things I find offensive or unacceptable, if people don't like it, I'm sure there is a block button on here somewhere.
If people want to listen, I'm more than happy to talk about anything I've mentioned here. I don't expect many to listen, I don't expect many to change,


Also, since you posted a completely anti-woke paragraph... I agree, it is very simple:
Some people on here feel that discrimination is acceptable and not their problem because they are privileged and haven't had to endure a lifetime of being discriminated. They feel they are above others, and are selfish enough to think that their time is more valuable doing what they want than taking small amounts of it to make it much better for others worse off than them.
Not all people are privileged, but on the whole, white ones have much more privilege than those from other colours. No one cares who was involved in the slave trade, we haven't pulled down the pyramids because it's a ridiculous argument that I'd expect on the cover of the Daily Mail, not in actual real life. The majority are irrelevant as this is about everyone. If that means some are inconvenienced, such as bigots etc. then so be it.
It's difficult to be able to enjoy yourself when you've been racially profiled and put in a horrible position, arrested, killed, raped, all because someone more privileged than you decided to demonstrate their power over you. People kill people, and it's almost always wrong. Wokeness is simply about being aware of things, to not be woke is to be ignorant. Ignorance is annoying, and lazy.
All of the following is just stuff bigots believe: "its just victims playing the victim card, women should stay home, racial profiling is effective since many black people are criminals anyway, women don't want to be steelworkers, and only other people are bigots"
and some people think that is utterly appalling claptrap, but I really don't care, if they have a problem, smash that block button.
 

Corranga

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So... back to Brexit...

I ordered some Sennheiser headphones, they ship from Germany, but the deal with all taxes etc. up front so the cost on the website is the total I pay. Fine, it's all sorted I think.
My shipping confirmation comes in...

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Err, no.