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philw696

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Sounds like you got bad advice and unfortunately followed it. Nothing to do with Brexit. Same true of all the idiots who didn’t sort their residence in time and are now blaming Brexit. Broken record anyone........?
I'm no idiot and have done everything properly and within the law and will be staying here.
I will even marry Ms French to ensure my situation here :)
 

Markc

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Hey Mods! Isn’t it time you shut this thread down? I mean isn’t 414 pages of pointless bollox enough? While you’re at it, same goes for the Are You Worried Yet thread. Is there a More Maserati less bollox forum......
 

Zep

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Hey Mods! Isn’t it time you shut this thread down? I mean isn’t 414 pages of pointless bollox enough? While you’re at it, same goes for the Are You Worried Yet thread. Is there a More Maserati less bollox forum......

Your feedback is received and understood. As has been said before, we try to have a light touch in terms of moderation, which means people speak their minds, but it does at times get too heated and too non-maserati.

There are some fixes in progress for this. We will be splitting the non-maserati content out of the most recent posts section and we are trying (it is very trying) to stop some of the conflict in these quite emotive threads. There is also going to be a code of conduct.

We are working on it and appreciate your patience.
 

Wanderer

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What happens when we lose the bants and camaraderie I find is people register, ask a question, get a response then disappear...
 

Simon1963

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Anyway it’s a good way of sussing people out if your ever going to go to one of the meets. I mean you can read somebody’s posts and think he’s a right c**t I’ll keep away from him at a meet :):)
 

Zep

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Interestingly, there is never any friction at meets at all. In person, rather than behind a keyboard, people are generally quite amenable. This is probably because we talk about cars not politics.
 

philw696

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‘Every time a crisis hits Europe — whether it is debt, refugees or Covid-19 — the prophets of doom predict the worst for the EU. At the height of the euro crisis, many suggested that Europe’s single currency would not survive. I was among those who thought the refugee crisis of 2015 could make Brussels irrelevant. The pro-Brexit British press continues to predict the collapse of the EU on an almost weekly basis. Covid-19 has brought a fresh blast of pessimism. The American economist Paul Krugman recently reviewed the EU’s pandemic performance and concluded: “The European project is in deep trouble.”

‘There is little doubt that the EU’s performance on Covid-19 has been dismal. But that should not lead to melodramatic despair about the organisation’s future. The European project has been around for some 70 years, since the foundation of the European Coal and Steel community in 1951. Over that time it has survived many crises and self-inflicted wounds, and more than quadrupled in size. Perhaps it is time to recognise that it is quite a resilient organisation?

‘In fact, if you are looking for political unions that are in “deep trouble”, or threatened by break up, the US and the UK are currently more plausible candidates than the EU. America has just seen Congress stormed by an angry mob and one of its two major political parties has gone sour on democracy. The UK is struggling to cope with the revival of violence in Northern Ireland and to fend off a second independence referendum in Scotland, which could easily see the country lose a third of its territory. Compared with this, the EU’s problems seem relatively mild.’
 

Wanderer

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‘Every time a crisis hits Europe — whether it is debt, refugees or Covid-19 — the prophets of doom predict the worst for the EU. At the height of the euro crisis, many suggested that Europe’s single currency would not survive. I was among those who thought the refugee crisis of 2015 could make Brussels irrelevant. The pro-Brexit British press continues to predict the collapse of the EU on an almost weekly basis. Covid-19 has brought a fresh blast of pessimism. The American economist Paul Krugman recently reviewed the EU’s pandemic performance and concluded: “The European project is in deep trouble.”

‘There is little doubt that the EU’s performance on Covid-19 has been dismal. But that should not lead to melodramatic despair about the organisation’s future. The European project has been around for some 70 years, since the foundation of the European Coal and Steel community in 1951. Over that time it has survived many crises and self-inflicted wounds, and more than quadrupled in size. Perhaps it is time to recognise that it is quite a resilient organisation?

‘In fact, if you are looking for political unions that are in “deep trouble”, or threatened by break up, the US and the UK are currently more plausible candidates than the EU. America has just seen Congress stormed by an angry mob and one of its two major political parties has gone sour on democracy. The UK is struggling to cope with the revival of violence in Northern Ireland and to fend off a second independence referendum in Scotland, which could easily see the country lose a third of its territory. Compared with this, the EU’s problems seem relatively mild.’
I agree totally, it's not perfect but I feel socially protected here to a much greater level than in UK. There's no doubt though the UK never really took onboard the ethic of this, UK has the lowest state pension, the lowest benefits in Europe but I'd venture the biggest Armed Forces and the most nukes. Easy to see who's priorities line up where.
 

philw696

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In the main it’s the X-Mas owners club
Fair point there Bob.
I bought a Maserati found the forum and some Great people and times i have had.
I have actually been a Maserati technician and I would have another as i enjoyed the two i have had and that's why I hang around still.
 

Wanderer

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Fair point there Bob.
I bought a Maserati found the forum and some Great people and times i have had.
I have actually been a Maserati technician and I would have another as i enjoyed the two i have had and that's why I hang around still.
Hi Phil, if you moved to France in 2018 you must be in same boat as me, according to the Luxembourg Gov I am free to live and work and change jobs etc there but not in the rest of the EU until I become, if ever a Luxembourgish citizen. Both of us in a sort of limbo.

I know I cant work in any other state until than so I'm intrigued about what the French Gov have told you, seeing as your sig. says you can work anywhere in Europe. Or is that a pre-Brexit sig!??
 

philw696

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@Wanderer yeah that was before Brexit and Covid-19 on top of it.
Until the end of 19 i was all over Europe working no problems at all with the work coming through a UK company and paying me in Euros it was so easy.
Current situation is why I'm setting up my own workshop at home all legal and registered as a Garagiste.
As soon as I get my money from the UK it's full steam ahead as i can't see the previous work happening again.
 

bigbob

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Fair point there Bob.
I bought a Maserati found the forum and some Great people and times i have had.
I have actually been a Maserati technician and I would have another as i enjoyed the two i have had and that's why I hang around still.

And you should all stay as it’s a great chat on here. GC just presented an open goal for a cheap comment.
 

Gooner

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UK has the lowest state pension...
Not according to FullFact, it doesn’t.


the lowest benefits in Europe

Also not the case, in 2018 at least. The UK is not especially generous, but just below the EU average, according to the EU.

but I'd venture the biggest Armed Forces and the most nukes.
UK military expenditure has fallen from over 6% of GDP in 1960 to 1.7% of GDP in 2019. That’s about the same as France, more than Germany and less than Norway.


Easy to see who's priorities line up where.

Maybe not so easy.
 

Markc

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It was a bit tongue in cheek but it does seem to encourage more grief than banter imho. Anyway I’ve got a massive G&T now so carry on!
 
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Wanderer

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Not according to FullFact, it doesn’t.




Also not the case, in 2018 at least. The UK is not especially generous, but just below the EU average, according to the EU.


UK military expenditure has fallen from over 6% of GDP in 1960 to 1.7% of GDP in 2019. That’s about the same as France, more than Germany and less than Norway.




Maybe not so easy.
Quoting off internet is no guide, I've seen it in action, for every measure there is a countermeasure, for example...

 

Gooner

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Quoting off internet is no guide, I've seen it in action, for every measure there is a countermeasure, for example...


Not all Internet sources are equivalent.

For instance, you quoted from a group lobbying for an independent Scotland, who in turn have misinterpreted or misrepresented the facts (the FullFact link explains how this has happened regarding pensions).

I quoted from the EU’s own statistics and from FullFact who are widely accepted by all sides as providing independent and authoritative analysis. Neither have shown any bias or favour to the UK in the past.