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[Wack61]

However a lot of offices I know have had too many projects on hold due to the uncertainty of Brexit and are now making redundancies.

Seriously , 10 hours after the announcement at Manchester town hall they're making redundancies.

 

[MrMickS]

Seriously , 10 hours after the announcement at Manchester town hall they're making redundancies.

That's crazy. They should at least wait to see how things shake out and what the plan for exit. I suspect that the redundancies were planned all along and this is a good excuse. What was the phrase "a good day to bury bad news"?

 

[safrane]

What... from their language dept haha

 

[Phil H]

Why do I get the impression that the Remainers are card carrying members of the Flat Earth Society? ****'s teeth, there's a brave new world opening up before us and already a number of other EU countries want to see what it's like!

Time will tell if we've made a mistake or played a master stroke but, until we find out, can we talk about cars or getting p!ssed as we normally do. Thanks.

OK then, just for you; seen at Goodwood today:













PH

 

[Phil H]

OOH ECK, me post's got screwed. Must be a Merkel hex kicking in already.

PH

 

[Wack61]

At least they're all the right way up

 

[BennyD]

OOH ECK, me post's got screwed. Must be a Merkel hex kicking in already.

Nice try, but you went and spoiled it by putting up photos of one of the ugliest FRENCH cars of all time; the pigs-ar5e SM!

 

[mjheathcote]

Should the worst happen the Mrs will have to dust off her old French Passport, we all pay a visit to the French embassy for ours, and we relocate to continental Europe!

 

[alfatwo]

You'd have to leave your old bangers behind as there UK registered...and they'd be most probably crushed as they don't meet the new UK emissions test

Dave

 

[Humpers]

Hilts and I were at Goodwood too today. Brexit certainly didn't seem to be spoiling anyone's day ! Maserati stand was very busy with people looking at the Levante.


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[allandwf]

Hilts and I were at Goodwood too today. Brexit certainly didn't seem to be spoiling anyone's day ! Maserati stand was very busy with people looking at the Levante.


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Why would it? Life goes on people.

 

[rockits]

I think this has little to do with the EU, and indeed the British economy, and more to do with changing perspectives.
I'm 34 and I own a Maserati and a Lotus, so you can tell I'm not doing too badly. I have a fairly large mortgage but it's only just over 4x my annual income (and my wife works too).
20 years ago I had 2 years of High School left - the 2nd worse ranking High School in my region / county. I was staying at home in my parents first and only house - an ex-council house bought by them in 1990. Prior to that, I lived in a council flat 10 minutes walk away in one of the poorest and roughest areas in my city.

So, I feel pretty well placed to talk about poverty.
What have I seen as I've grown up?
The quality of housing has improved. More people have cars, and the quality of the cars is very much improved over 25 years back. There are less stolen / burnt out cars too.
Most people seem to have a PC, and the internet, and a flat screen TV, and sky or cable TV.
Most people seem to have a mobile phone, and a smart phone at that.

I used to play with discarded fridges, record players and boxes, have light sabre fights with old strip light bulbs or whatever else was laying around.
I have worked hard to get myself out of that, and am proud of myself, and my parents for raising me to be better than the areas of my upbringing would have you believe.

To me, the change in 'poverty' is very much a social thing. Entitlement is confused with affordability. Debt is almost expected, and and the UK is now so consumerist that people are even more likely to run higher and higher debts, with consolidation loans etc. simply to keep up with the Jones'
We have so many pound shops and bargain shops, and Primark like discounted trend clothes shops, and pay day loan companies, and bright house style pay up a TV places that are designed to enable the poor to keep up with technologies and fashions that it has become expected. People like to own nice things, and people nowadays own more things than ever,

This is partly a modern problem for me. We have become serious consumers of materialistic things mainly electronics & I don't feel it makes us richer but actually poorer. Go back to the old days in some ways & keep things simple. We had a load of fathers/sons for a camping night in the garden & I was asked several times what the wireless key was! We're in a field pretty much away from the smoke and camping. WiFi...hilarious.

Nobody should make decisions, draw conclusions, decide on anything or feel the world has ended. Give it a bit of time. Give it a chance...even remain supporters. You never know you may be surprised or maybe even proved wrong. Stranger things have happened.

This is a sweeping statement but I get the impression many remain supporters voted so for their own individual dare I say it selfish reasons. This is fine. Many brexit supporters seem to see the bigger picture & not doing it for personal reasons but for the bigger picture & for others.

For 60% of London to vote remain says it all for me. Markets manipulated and profited from again by the finance sector scoundrels.....what's new!

What's the saying....a change is as good as a break.

I genuinely feel this could be good for the UK, Europe & the whole world. It is going to force us to rethink lots of things we have been too busy and too self indulgent to think about for a long time.

My glass is half full and I'm positive. It would help if we all got on with it and collectively thought the same. By moaning and winging we will achieve nothing....just deal with it people.

We had previous generations fight world wars and be selfless for us & we owe it to these previous generations & future generations to do the same.

 

[greeny12]

^^^ Amen to that brother. Probably the best thing I've read today

 

[allandwf]

^ + another

 

[MrMickS]

I actually think the selfish reasons is the other way around. It's selfish that we couldn't share out wealth to improve the lot of poorer EU nations and selfish that the older generation, having had the benefit of EU membership chose to deny that to our youth. That was the issue with trying to find a path through to making a decision in the first place. Many different ways of looking at each issue.

Still. You're right. The vote is done and change brings new opportunities and challenges all around.


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[StuartW]

Well said

This is only the first day, it was always going to be tough to digest & process so soon as it was largely unexpected, even by the leave camp.

Remember Obama coming over here and saying that if we left, we would fall down the pecking order with the US and our 'special relationship' would not be so special? Today, Joe Biden has said that nothing has changed between the countries so it is not going to be as bad as some fear - tomorrow's another day.

I voted remain by the way, the first time I have sided with so many tories, but we'll dust ourselves down and get on with it

 

[rockits]

I think we all often get a little caught up in frenzy of modern life and all get a little bit short and selfish. We just need to slow down a bit and take a minute or a breath to think once in a while. The quick reactions and decisions on an announcement only made less than 24 hours ago highlights this.

It is a marathon not a sprint. Or is it a snickers still?!

 

[hoyin]

Seriously , 10 hours after the announcement at Manchester town hall they're making redundancies.

Well I guess most projects have been on hold for a couple of months now. Waiting for clarification of the referendum.

Offices can only wait so long before they need to start the redundancy process as it is another month min before people work out their notice period. So if anything does change it will happen in a month.

Otherwise you have a surplus of resource and an unsustainable office.

 

[rockits]

I read that we were Europe's biggest consumer purchasing 16% with the US 2nd @ 15%. Not sure if that is right but shows we are strong & should negotiate any trade deals with Europe & the rest of the world with a position of strength. We have a great deal going for us and should recognise this. We could still be much better but are not in a terrible place unlike any other member states.

 

[spyder]

The reality as I see it is this:
52% of the voters voted out - so less than 37% of the population have voted to leave the EU and on such a small margin of voters, leaving is an nothing more than an ill-informed bet. There should be an immediate general election.

On the two main policies issues - economics and immigration, Brexit means the economic result is definitely negative an the second has no plan to deliver improvement from either side.

Johnson has seen the opportunity, taken a stance and manoeuvred to become PM, only taking a leave stance late in the day. He is a clever political player and very Machiavellian.

London financial services and Scottish Oil subsidise the rest of the UK - the population here voted in

As Mr capes points out, the largest recipients of EU funding (i.e. the regions) who are net recipients of funding voted out. London will demand more autonomy over the finances it generates and the regions will get less.
I work in manufacturing, we are sc****D. Any international investment will not come to the UK anymore, but to the free market and low cost EU. Hopefully I will survive for the next 10 years.

We depend on foreign investment to pay out negative trade balance - oops.

Every outer should have to subsidise a remainder for the economic damage done. Those that did not vote get shipped to Syria (to help solve the over-population issue)

No side has come up with any credible delivery plan to reduce non EU and/or EU immigration, no political party has made a dent in the last 20 years.
The key question is of the circa 150,000 EU migrants, how will this reduce and so what will be the impact be on the 320,000/year today - we can already decide for 170,000 non-EU, so if they stop all EU, we only half it (but these people are from similar culture and largely skilled), realistically if we half EU migration, total goes from 320,000 to 245,000 - big deal!
Economically migration is slightly positive - there is no argument against that, economics is not everything and socially there are many more arguments against mass migration.

It does not feel like a brave act - more cowardly to run from the EU and quite shameful. We now hide away and delude ourselves that we are in any way important on the world stage or any nation or trading block will give us priority or special treatment.
Voting with the heart is OK, but will make generations worse off (but not likely the over 55s and the ones in the upper income bracket who dominated the "outs")
In 15 years time there may well be referendum MKII - less the old folks of today who would have popped their clogs by then. But the only option to get back in will be with all the bells and whistles - no veto, no special treatment or rebate. We will have little choice but to do this, so the leaves have actually voted to abolish the pound today.

For me it will make some negative economic difference, but not having children I should only care for myself, but I care for the long term prosperity of my country. I wish we had taken the braver path and a leading role in Europe to change it for the improvement of all, however today it feels like the darkest day for the UK since September 1st 1939.