Coil overs?

Neil robinson

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So I went to have the tow and camber done on my 4200. The alignment place wouldn’t touch it as they said there was coil overs on the car and that they were screwed up so far that the spring wasn’t able to do it’s job (rears). I wondered why the ride was so firm on coming down from a bump. My question is this.. are coil overs an aftermarket botch by someone or do they come with the car as standard? Do I just jack the car up and screw the adjuster back up(to let the shock go down)? Thanks in anticipation, neil. P.s the car is 2003 cambio etc.
 

hladun

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Coil overs are standard on the 4200. They're not long springs. Did someone change the rear springs? The original springs may have weakened and were further compressed to maintain ride high. Never heard of that before. You might have someone who knows look at it because the alignment shop may just have trying to make excuses because they didn't know what they were doing.
 

Neil robinson

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The car rides very high, I think it looks about 30mm too tall. Looks Closer to a 4x4!!! Thanks for your input. The alignment shop do only one thing apparently and they said I’d need to enlist a mechanic to screw the shocks down. Can’t really blame them for not doing it. At least I know I don’t have to shell out for shocks!. Thanks again, neil
 

TimR

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4200 rides pretty high standard. Even more so if its a pre facelift car...
I agree - I wouldnt be surprised that they said no. Changing ride height alters camber, basically, everything affects everything else, so refusal might seem a bit lame but those ring nuts that screw around the shock bodies are notorious for getting welded to the fine threads; more than a few folk have to remove the shocks to get access on the bench to get them moving....which is what sets ride height.
To say they are so preloaded they are bound is worrying.
Get them checked out by someone more knowledgeable perhaps. No harm in another opinion....
 

Neil robinson

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Going to a specialist on Thursday for a complete once over. i take it that they should be able to give me the all important clutch wear reading. I seem to remember something about a software update for the gearbox, is this possible as mine is very laggy (if that’s a word even). Thanks everybody, neil
 

Gazcw

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Why would anyone want to lift them!

The only thing I thinks spoils the look on any car is it being perched too high on its wheels.
 

spkennyuk

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Going to a specialist on Thursday for a complete once over. i take it that they should be able to give me the all important clutch wear reading. I seem to remember something about a software update for the gearbox, is this possible as mine is very laggy (if that’s a word even). Thanks everybody, neil

The lag in changing gear will be because the PIS point needs adjusting.

It may only be 1 mm out but if its set correctly it will make the world of difference.
 

Gazcw

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Going to a specialist on Thursday for a complete once over. i take it that they should be able to give me the all important clutch wear reading. I seem to remember something about a software update for the gearbox, is this possible as mine is very laggy (if that’s a word even). Thanks everybody, neil
That will depend on the 'specialist' and what tools he has. Is it a Maserati indie?
 

Neil robinson

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He’s an Alfa specialist, but dabbles in Maserati too. What is PIS point And how do I get it adjusted? Thanks for everyone’s patience, I’m new to this malarkey.
 

Gazcw

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He’s an Alfa specialist, but dabbles in Maserati too. What is PIS point And how do I get it adjusted? Thanks for everyone’s patience, I’m new to this malarkey.
He is going to need an SD3 I imagine to do PIS and not something to dabble with. You could be screwed if it goes wrong.
 

spkennyuk

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He’s an Alfa specialist, but dabbles in Maserati too. What is PIS point And how do I get it adjusted? Thanks for everyone’s patience, I’m new to this malarkey.

PIS is the clutch Point of Initial Slip.
Whichever garage you take it to will need either an sd2/sd3 , leonardo or launch diagnostic system.

If when your in gear but static and you increase the revs the car should start to move as the clutch engages at around 1200 rpm. As the clutch wears down from new the PIS reading will grow from say 4.50 to 4.60. Which is 1mm in reality.

The effect you will see / feel on the car is that the gear changes wont be quite as snappy as they should be and the point at which the car will start to move in gear from standing will start to increase upto around 1600 / 1800 rpm. Which can be tiresome in stop start traffic.

Each car is different there is no magic number for the PIS to be set that will suit all cars.

The knack is to have everything warmed up and up to temperature before they take the PIS reading from the TCU and then adjust it down slowly in increments. After each adjustment on level ground check the gearbox primary angle speed and make sure it stays at zero when they select 1st gear or reverse gear without touching the accelerator. If it changes from zero the clutch is starting to drag so the PIS needs to be backed off by 0.1mm so that it doesnt drag.

The aim is to have a tight setting on the PIS so that gear changes are almost instant and the clutch is fully engaged as soon as you put your foot on the loud peddle.

Less slip on the clutch means longer clutch life. It also means your flywheel is less likely to get hot spots.

As and when you get it to an indy to have a look ask them to check the readings and adjust the PIS.

You will probably find it reading somwhere around 4.65 or higher and when set up it will come down to say 4.58.

If your not familiar with the gearbox and clutch on these cars avoid reversing uphill if at all possible. Its a sure fire way to shorten the life of the clutch.
 

davy83

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Be very careful when adjusting the shocks, you need to make sure the springs are compressed first to take the load off the adjustment collars. and i mirror the comment above about removing them completely to do this (or at least to get them moving smoothly), they do seize up pretty easy i have a front in my cupboard totally siezed, not hard to do.
 

Neil robinson

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Thanks everybody for your valuable advice, I’ll certainly get the PIS done and the shocks with your pointers. I’ll let you know how I get on.
neil