EASYMAS Diagnostic - Beta

[Phil maserati]

ABS !

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How can we buy it??

 

[Wanderer]

How can we buy it??

Still in beta, so not yet!

 

[RichardSEL]

Had someone look at my continuing frustrations with the olde OEM G2 fitted 'phone on my QP '08MY. Just got: "it's a hardware fault, sir!" and a bill.
The 'phone hadset doesn't light up with a tested and working G2-compatible SD card, and the 'phone button pressed. All that comes up is:


The mechanics did tell me that all the connectors appear connected. But they didn't have the diagnostics to go into it.

Is the upcoming specialist diagnostic software now in beta able to interrogate this system in more detail. I had someone do a diagnostic when I purchased the car
using a Texa TGS3s. I don't know whether that would see my headunit in more detail to see whether the 'phone's been switched off in setup (Tel - off on display)
That Texa scan reported "Telematic Board Module Magneti Marelli -
Infotelematic node (NIT) P (ECU recognised) Faults: Yes

I did try my iCarsoft (that's coded for Landrover and Jaguars) in "P code" mode. But as soon as I put the connector in, the dash lit up like a Christmas tree. Quickly removed!

What is the signifigance of the "Tel Off" message in the bottom right of the screen?
How can that be changed to "Tel On"
Is there a toggle in diagnostics?

I want this to work!

Will EasyMAS handle this sort of job? Don't even know if such a toggle exists and is accessable?

I had a genuine copy of VagCom when I was a VW-head and there was quite a selection of features that could be turned on or off (eg indicators as DRLs and intensity, etc)

Grateful for replies...

 

[Devonboy]

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Not sure that is where you plug it in......

 

[RichardSEL]

Alright for them that's Can bus compatible.
Mine's Can't bus compatible

 

[Steve4200]

Had someone look at my continuing frustrations with the olde OEM G2 fitted 'phone on my QP '08MY. Just got: "it's a hardware fault, sir!" and a bill.
The 'phone hadset doesn't light up with a tested and working G2-compatible SD card, and the 'phone button pressed. All that comes up is:
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The mechanics did tell me that all the connectors appear connected. But they didn't have the diagnostics to go into it.

Is the upcoming specialist diagnostic software now in beta able to interrogate this system in more detail. I had someone do a diagnostic when I purchased the car
using a Texa TGS3s. I don't know whether that would see my headunit in more detail to see whether the 'phone's been switched off in setup (Tel - off on display)
That Texa scan reported "Telematic Board Module Magneti Marelli -
Infotelematic node (NIT) P (ECU recognised) Faults: Yes

I did try my iCarsoft (that's coded for Landrover and Jaguars) in "P code" mode. But as soon as I put the connector in, the dash lit up like a Christmas tree. Quickly removed!

What is the signifigance of the "Tel Off" message in the bottom right of the screen?
How can that be changed to "Tel On"
Is there a toggle in diagnostics?

I want this to work!

Will EasyMAS handle this sort of job? Don't even know if such a toggle exists and is accessable?

I had a genuine copy of VagCom when I was a VW-head and there was quite a selection of features that could be turned on or off (eg indicators as DRLs and intensity, etc)

Grateful for replies...

Hi ,

Sorry the first release of EasyMAS will not support the NIT.

We will look into this issue and get back to you if anything of help is found.

Regards
Steve

 

[Steve4200]

Hi ,

Sorry the first release of EasyMAS will not support the NIT.

We will look into this issue and get back to you if anything of help is found.

Regards
Steve

All the phone handset functions are on the CAN GSM BOX. It fits under the NIT on a bracket.
The CAN GSM BOX is connected to the NIT via the I-CAN bus.

Is the Handset to CAN GSM BOX to NIT all connected and powered ?

Regards
Steve

 

[RichardSEL]

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner.
Mechanics have Leonarod. The error was cleared but it returned
Fair do's: mechanics got onto Leonarod who seemed to think there's a hardware fault with the 'phone unit. I assume mechanics have checked all the plugs are in and there's power to the unit. So am hunting around for a replacement module

 

[Steve4200]

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner.
Mechanics have Leonarod. The error was cleared but it returned
Fair do's: mechanics got onto Leonarod who seemed to think there's a hardware fault with the 'phone unit. I assume mechanics have checked all the plugs are in and there's power to the unit. So am hunting around for a replacement module

The “U” codes are normally data/communication errors , so this would seem data between NIT and GSM CAN module has problems. This could be issues with GSM CAN module such as :- Bad connections , No Power , Faulty Module.

Steve

 

[RichardSEL]

Yes, the handset definately doesn't light up. And the Tele mode is still as when I reported the fault to mechanics. I'm due to collect car this week so not sure what else to do apart from change out the GSM CAN module.

Seems with Mas stuff, them that are in the know all have different names for the same parts: NIT?, GSM CAN module? Are there any more modules that, if not working would show the fault that I described above? ie no power to handset (not lighting up) and "Telephone is not available" and "Tele OFF" when 'phone is selected?
Leonardo says nothing and their support staff say they've not seen this fault before
TGS3s is a little bit more detailed: "Telematic Board Module Magneti Marelli - Infotelematic node (NIT) Status Recognised Faults Yes"

 

[spkennyuk]

Had someone look at my continuing frustrations with the olde OEM G2 fitted 'phone on my QP '08MY. Just got: "it's a hardware fault, sir!" and a bill.
The 'phone hadset doesn't light up with a tested and working G2-compatible SD card, and the 'phone button pressed. All that comes up is:
View attachment 73357

The mechanics did tell me that all the connectors appear connected. But they didn't have the diagnostics to go into it.

Is the upcoming specialist diagnostic software now in beta able to interrogate this system in more detail. I had someone do a diagnostic when I purchased the car
using a Texa TGS3s. I don't know whether that would see my headunit in more detail to see whether the 'phone's been switched off in setup (Tel - off on display)
That Texa scan reported "Telematic Board Module Magneti Marelli -
Infotelematic node (NIT) P (ECU recognised) Faults: Yes

I did try my iCarsoft (that's coded for Landrover and Jaguars) in "P code" mode. But as soon as I put the connector in, the dash lit up like a Christmas tree. Quickly removed!

What is the signifigance of the "Tel Off" message in the bottom right of the screen?
How can that be changed to "Tel On"
Is there a toggle in diagnostics?

I want this to work!

Will EasyMAS handle this sort of job? Don't even know if such a toggle exists and is accessable?

I had a genuine copy of VagCom when I was a VW-head and there was quite a selection of features that could be turned on or off (eg indicators as DRLs and intensity, etc)

Grateful for replies...

Has the phone ever worked while you have owned the car ?

Tel off would come up if the sim card was not G2 or it cant connect to the network for another hardware reason.

Might be worth trying another G2 simcard from a different carrier as i dont think the QP accepts all frequencies used. I think its 900 /1800 mhz only on the factory fit phone.

Iirc vodaphone were dropping 2g and 3g this year but giff gaff and a few others were still issueing 2g compatible sim cards.

Any other forum members near you with a working qp phone that you can try their sim in your car ?

 

[spkennyuk]

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner.
Mechanics have Leonarod. The error was cleared but it returned
Fair do's: mechanics got onto Leonarod who seemed to think there's a hardware fault with the 'phone unit. I assume mechanics have checked all the plugs are in and there's power to the unit. So am hunting around for a replacement module

If it proves to be a hardware fault and you end up changing the phone unit. Be careful the replacement doesnt originate from a USA vehicle as the opertating frequencies will be different 1700/2100mhz i think.

 

[mjheathcote]

If it proves to be a hardware fault and you end up changing the phone unit. Be careful the replacement doesnt originate from a USA vehicle as the opertating frequencies will be different 1700/2100mhz i think.

Not sure the US actually got the option for the car phone, but maybe I'm thinking of the 4200.
Certainly on the 4200 it is 2G and works very well with giffgaff (o2)
I'll be upset if 2G is dropped.
Quite a few alarm systems etc still use 2G systems so it will be a big decision to switch it off.

 

[spkennyuk]

Not sure the US actually got the option for the car phone, but maybe I'm thinking of the 4200.
Certainly on the 4200 it is 2G and works very well with giffgaff (o2)
I'll be upset if 2G is dropped.
Quite a few alarm systems etc still use 2G systems so it will be a big decision to switch it off.

Yes very true. Still a lot of machinery , house call fall/emergency equipment and the like use the 2G network.

The last article i saw on the subject was saying that 3G should be switched off first for that reason.

It may be a coinidence but the leonardo screen shot shows D012 as an error code which is also a code used on some older phones for sim card not recognised.

 

[RichardSEL]

Thanks for the additional replies.

When I got the original Vodafone ("Power to You") SIM card bought 3rd June 2019 from Carphone Whorehouse it worked alright in my '03MY Range Rover. Which I understand back then was G2.
Range Rover was off the road until recently when I found that G2 SIM wasn't working when it was returned to me. Mechanics used that SIM for their tests.

Voodophone switch off their PAYT cards if they've not been used for a month. And keep whatever balance is on it (mine was about £8?)
They then delete the account record for that card/number. All my helpful helpdesk could tell me (conveniently situated in Alexandria, Egypt) was my date of purchase and the switch-off date of 20th July '20.

I've not removed my working well replacement SIM from the Range Rover and tried it in the QP yet. But would a non-valid SIM also stop the handset from lighting up?

I bought the QP in December of last year. The 'phone has never worked since I've had the car.

I've got some pix of the rear of the head unit, but I don't know how to recognise a north American NIT from a UK one.

 

[mjheathcote]

If you put a non validated Giffgaff sim it will show up signal strength in a 4200.
Giffgaff don't cut off after only a month, you get an email from them asking if you are a light user etc.

 

[RichardSEL]

If you put a non validated Giffgaff sim it will show up signal strength in a 4200.
Giffgaff don't cut off after only a month, you get an email from them asking if you are a light user etc.

I tried the Range Rover's Vodafone SIM in the QP5. Still "Tel:OFF" and a full screen message: "Telephone is not available". Hmmm.

There appears to be modules referenced in the helpful replies to this thread: a "GSM module" and a "NIT" and a "GSM CAN module" and a "phone unit". Are these different seperate units or alternative names for the same unit?

TGS3s is a little bit more detailed: "Telematic Board Module Magneti Marelli - Infotelematic node (NIT) Status Recognised Faults Yes" I would want to try and find a UK version of that. Does that mean that the NIT (is that a discrete module, what do the letters mean?) should be changed as the Telematic board is reporting a fault in it to the CAN bus?

Unless anyone can guide me better...

 

[Steve4200]

I tried the Range Rover's Vodafone SIM in the QP5. Still "Tel:OFF" and a full screen message: "Telephone is not available". Hmmm.

There appears to be modules referenced in the helpful replies to this thread: a "GSM module" and a "NIT" and a "GSM CAN module" and a "phone unit". Are these different seperate units or alternative names for the same unit?

TGS3s is a little bit more detailed: "Telematic Board Module Magneti Marelli - Infotelematic node (NIT) Status Recognised Faults Yes" I would want to try and find a UK version of that. Does that mean that the NIT (is that a discrete module, what do the letters mean?) should be changed as the Telematic board is reporting a fault in it to the CAN bus?

Unless anyone can guide me better...

Hi ,

The NIT Is your Infotelematic system - headunit , radio , cd , satnav etc. ( NIT - Node Info Telematic )

The Phone Handset connects to the GSM CAN Module which in turn connects to the NIT.

So all 3 need to have good connections , have power and be operational.

Regards

 

[RichardSEL]

Thanks for the reply... The head unit (apart from the 'phone) works as it should. We've just replaced the CD Changer for a Loudlink unit
(do get the Flash ROM updates from their website for the M139, there's three of them there to be installed oldest first V2530 (2017), V2532 (Jan 2018), and V2533 (Feb 2018) ) And that's working too.

So it's out searching for the GSM CAN Module. I believe it's the one I pictured earlier in thread? But that's out in Oz so could be different 'phone system specs (?):
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Maserati...462290?hash=item216b3390d2:g:HOsAAOSwce1eRl~9

 

[Steve4200]

Thanks for the reply... The head unit (apart from the 'phone) works as it should. We've just replaced the CD Changer for a Loudlink unit
(do get the Flash ROM updates from their website for the M139, there's three of them there to be installed oldest first V2530 (2017), V2532 (Jan 2018), and V2533 (Feb 2018) ) And that's working too.

So it's out searching for the GSM CAN Module. I believe it's the one I pictured earlier in thread? But that's out in Oz so could be different 'phone system specs (?):
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Maserati...462290?hash=item216b3390d2:g:HOsAAOSwce1eRl~9

Hi ,

The GSM module should be "dumb" , so if the part number is the same it should work. GSM is global so assume the Phone SIM is the only difference country to country for network purposes.

Regards