EasyMAS Diagnostic Release

Steve4200

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Quick question. Your charging £199 per year in addition to maintain access to the write functions.

So if you buy a version with write functions 12 months later they are disabled unless you pay an extra ongoing £199.

The £49 fee for software updates each year is priced very well but if you choose not to update EasyMas will still operate as a read only/ reset device.

Seems an odd stance to have a different policy on the write functions that you cant use them without an ongoing subscription.

HI ,

The read / reset software will not expire and will function normally.

Regards
 

Steve4200

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Shame no Apple iPad option - I won't touch Windows.......

Hi,

MacOS / IOS would be nice for sure , but for this type of application it’s all pain and no gain with Apple. Then add the additional costs.

All Maserati Official tools are Windows OS probably for the same reason.

We will of course look for a future Apple route.

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spkennyuk

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HI ,

The read / reset software will not expire and will function normally.

Regards

Thats what i said. So in effect the purchaser can only rent the writing ability for £199 a year.

If you didnt get any write function updates after 1 year but were still able to use the write functions you paid for at the time of purchase that would be in line with the market alternatives.

I dont understand why you want a annual subscription service payment to be able to use the write functions. 366 days after you buy the device you can no longer use the write functions.

Read / reset software function remain functional. After 366 days regardless of if you pay the £49 annual update fee.

Two different subscription sales strategies on the same device.

If you introduce new function module read and write functions after 12 months will the purchaser need to buy both subscriptions in order to be able to write to the new function released ?

As far as im aware even the SD2/3 read and write functions remain available if you choose not to subscribe to future updates.

Im not aware of any other similar product that removes some fuctionality if you dont pay for the updates past the 12 or 24 months that come included with their products.

I wish you the best of luck but that really does seem to be at odds with the market alternatives available to the enthusiast market. Especially when the alternatives are usable on other brands / vehicles that users may have in their fleet.

Hopefully the launch goes well and you gain good support.

Best wishes with your endeavour.
 

Wanderer

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Too pricey for me, was hoping to change and setup my own clutch with it when the time comes bit seeing as my car is on 120k and has had one clutch change, maybe got one more clutch due from it, may as well get it done at at a decent indy when the time comes and see what happens after that.

Was hoping we'd get the write functions as enthusiasts especially as these MY cars are almost at the EOL.....
 

Thumperuk

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Too pricey for me, was hoping to change and setup my own clutch with it when the time comes bit seeing as my car is on 120k and has had one clutch change, maybe got one more clutch due from it, may as well get it done at at a decent indy when the time comes and see what happens after that.

Was hoping we'd get the write functions as enthusiasts especially as these MY cars are almost at the EOL.....

It seems to be a £1400 premium to have the write functions available for 12 months after that your purchase will only function the same as the £480 model read only unless you pay an additional £199 a year.

Pricing is ambitious given alternatives that come with a tablet 2 year updates and retain full functions after your subscription expires.

If you wanted the write function to do your own clutch then £2k on software and a tablet just doesn't stack up. The cost is more than half of the cost to have an indy change the clutch including parts. If you needed to change the clutch etc on the same or another car after 12 months it would cost you another £200.

It's really not priced for the enthusiast that wants write functions and seems expensive for read only functions. I'm not really seeing where it will sit in the market.
 
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Wanderer

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Seems to me at the moment without knowing the full details, my £15 Autel AP200 dongle and app does most that the basic version does. I can read the PIS etc with that......
 

tulit

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I highly doubt a bog standard OBD reader available on Amazon, could give any "accurate" Maserati specific information such as the PIS calibration and clutch wear?
Quite sure it could very well be possible. I built my own using $5 generic ELM327 Bluetooth OBD dongles.


This commercial option is obviously packaged together much nicer and has real technical support i would expect.

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Kyle4200

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Quite sure it could very well be possible. I built my own using $5 generic ELM327 Bluetooth OBD dongles.


This commercial option is obviously packaged together much nicer and has real technical support i would expect.

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Each to their own I suppose. That’s why there will always be a market for Casio watches, others will buy a Maserati...
 

spkennyuk

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Each to their own I suppose. That’s why there will always be a market for Casio watches, others will buy a Maserati...

"Casio G-Shock Limited Edition Titanium Men's Watch GMW-B5000TCF-2ER | 49.3 mm, Black Dial | Beaverbrooks" https://www.beaverbrooks.co.uk/0123...fqrHlGyVkbfhzlYyZyKY3DjQV6ouqidUaAjDcEALw_wcB

Some people will spend a lot of money on a casio watch. While others will buy the product that does the job they want at a reasonable price.

Autel and the like that have been around for many years in the diagnostic market sell diagnostic tools for all levels from the basic read only to pro mechanic level.

The development at the higher end of their tools filters down to the lower priced volume products that are read only. No reason at all why the PIS reading would not be accurate from a cheaper reputable device. Its only only reading the number from the TCU.

The clutch wear reading is a different matter as there are different formulas being used to work out the wear rate on different machines. Its easy enough to work out the wear rate by hand having taken the clutch necessary clutch readings from a read only device.
 

blangoman

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It currently sits in an awkward position and as an enthusiast I'm not seeing how this really will help my weekend endeavors at a reasonable cost :/
 

mjheathcote

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It currently sits in an awkward position and as an enthusiast I'm not seeing how this really will help my weekend endeavors at a reasonable cost :/

Yes this is the trouble.
Not many enthusiasts will pay nearly £2k for the pro read write version, with annual licence renewal on top to keep the write functionality working, and a Maserati specialist should really I guess have the factory sd2 if they are serious?
The read only sits in the Launch X-431 mini Pro price point, which has write capability if you so wish, plus also covers over cars.
I've no experience of the X-431 and I'm sure it won't be as polished and possibly correct compared to the EasyMas being dedicated to the Maserati.
You therefore have to compare the read only with the X-431.
As a Maserati owner and enthusiast for nearly 10 years I really want to buy the EasyMas.
I'm not sure the read only/reset capability and functionality when hooked up to my 4200 justifies the cost near the X-431 which I can use on all my cars.
I guess I was expecting the EasyMas Pro read/write around the X-431 pricing, which is still a lot to me for sole Maserati usage on the single Maserati I own, that might only get used a couple of times a year, hopefully less!
I think it's really the airbag/ABS missing currently for the 4200/GS that really is stalling me making the purchase.
 

philw696

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Yes this is the trouble.
Not many enthusiasts will pay nearly £2k for the pro read write version, with annual licence renewal on top to keep the write functionality working, and a Maserati specialist should really I guess have the factory sd2 if they are serious?
The read only sits in the Launch X-431 mini Pro price point, which has write capability if you so wish, plus also covers over cars.
I've no experience of the X-431 and I'm sure it won't be as polished and possibly correct compared to the EasyMas being dedicated to the Maserati.
You therefore have to compare the read only with the X-431.
As a Maserati owner and enthusiast for nearly 10 years I really want to buy the EasyMas.
I'm not sure the read only/reset capability and functionality when hooked up to my 4200 justifies the cost near the X-431 which I can use on all my cars.
I guess I was expecting the EasyMas Pro read/write around the X-431 pricing, which is still a lot to me for sole Maserati usage on the single Maserati I own, that might only get used a couple of times a year, hopefully less!
I think it's really the airbag/ABS missing currently for the 4200/GS that really is stalling me making the purchase.
I highly recommend the Launch X431 Pros but haven't used it on a Maserati yet.
Why not group together with forum members and share one of these Maserati dedicated units.
Just a thought and it saves money.
 

tcrote5516

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This is really a shame. I was very excited for this to be released but that was quickly stomped out. It's clearly priced for a Maserati service shop and not owners. The pricing is high to begin with but I would have considered it a solid investment if not for the ridiculous annual fee. Good luck with everything but I fear you're shooting yourself in the foot tacking on annual fees of any amount for a niche product that's pricey to begin with.

If I buy something, I expect it to do what it tells me it will do. If I want updates in the future, I'll pay for them but will not pay to restore original features. That's just nuts.
 

tulit

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The clutch wear reading is a different matter as there are different formulas being used to work out the wear rate on different machines. Its easy enough to work out the wear rate by hand having taken the clutch necessary clutch readings from a read only device.

There's no secrets here luckily. The formula is pretty simple - the only variable is the new clutch thickness which on all these maseratis is 5.62mm.

Clutch wear = (current position-new position)/5.62mm*100

This is the formula the factory tool uses. So any tool can be used i believe to get a consistent read.

Earlier versions of the launch x431 had misset the thickness to something in the 8mm range. I believe that's fixed now though.

More details here



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spkennyuk

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There's no secrets here luckily. The formula is pretty simple - the only variable is the new clutch thickness which on all these maseratis is 5.62mm.

Clutch wear = (current position-new position)/5.62mm*100

This is the formula the factory tool uses. So any tool can be used i believe to get a consistent read.

Earlier versions of the launch x431 had misset the thickness to something in the 8mm range. I believe that's fixed now though.

More details here



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Latest version of launch v11.15 is still using 7 as the divisor. Instead of 5.62.

Not a big issue as i calculate it by hand if i need a reading.
 

tulit

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Latest version of launch v11.15 is still using 7 as the divisor. Instead of 5.62.

Not a big issue as i calculate it by hand if i need a reading.
It may be worth sending them a bug report. To my pleasant surprise last time I did (the PIS decimal problem) they were very responsive, fixed it, gave me a pre release version and ultimately rolled it out to everyone.

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RichardSEL

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(X-post from previous thread)
What is the name of the company we'll be sending our money too?
And what sort of pricing are we looking at? (shakes piggy bank) <rattle, rattle>
... I'm only a poor pensioner (blub)

Even poorer now. Still, I'm sure you guyz have produced a superior product to the Foxtel or whatever's grabbing cheepskate's interest.
The company is EasyObd Tools Ltd.

But didn't get a reply as to whether, with a "Telephone Not Available" message coming up on screen when telephone service is requested (Mas '08MY QP5 Blaunkput console) EasyMas can further pinpoint to whether it's the 'phone module or the Control Unit that's at fault?

Bests
 

spkennyuk

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(X-post from previous thread)
What is the name of the company we'll be sending our money too?
And what sort of pricing are we looking at? (shakes piggy bank) <rattle, rattle>
... I'm only a poor pensioner (blub)

Even poorer now. Still, I'm sure you guyz have produced a superior product to the Foxtel or whatever's grabbing cheepskate's interest.
The company is EasyObd Tools Ltd.

But didn't get a reply as to whether, with a "Telephone Not Available" message coming up on screen when telephone service is requested (Mas '08MY QP5 Blaunkput console) EasyMas can further pinpoint to whether it's the 'phone module or the Control Unit that's at fault?

Bests

No it wont at the moment. If i recall correctly you need to access both the NIT module and the telematic communication module.

EasyMas currently for the first release at least doesnt list those as supported modules.

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As far as i am aware there are only two diagnostic tools that can communicate with both of these which are SD2/SD3 and Leonardo.

The NQS module listed is for the dashpod for service reset and other functions. It doesnt cover what you need.

Just a thought on quickest and easiest way to solve the issue for you. The leonardo diagnostic you already had done couldnt tell if the GSM module was at fault or the handset was at fault. So you seem to be left with two options.

1. Either have it diagnosed at an indy with sd2/sd3 or at least call one and ask them if sd2/sd3 will be able to diagnose and confirm the part required.

2. Have a chat with somebody like suprano stu from the used parts suppliers list. If he has both the parts you need then he may be willing to send you both on a sale / return basis so that you only pay for the part you actually need and return the non used part to him.

For what it is worth i would start with the handset itself as it is easier to access before digging down for the GSM module.

As i said the only two diagnostic tools that i know of that can access both the modules you need are Leonardo and SD2/SD3. Leonardo could access them but not confirm which part. So your left with SD2/SD3 circa £25k if you wanted to buy it.

Hopefully that helps you form a plan.

Steve from EasyMas did say on the Beta thread that EasyMas first release would not be able to access the NIT to interegate your phone problem.
 
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Steve4200

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No it wont at the moment. If i recall correctly you need to access both the NIT module and the telematic communication module.

EasyMas currently for the first release at least doesnt list those as supported modules.

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As far as i am aware there are only two diagnostic tools that can communicate with both of these which are SD2/SD3 and Leonardo.

The NQS module listed is for the dashpod for service reset and other functions. It doesnt cover what you need.

Just a thought on quickest and easiest way to solve the issue for you. The leonardo diagnostic you already had done couldnt tell if the GSM module was at fault or the handset was at fault. So you seem to be left with two options.

1. Either have it diagnosed at an indy with sd2/sd3 or at least call one and ask them if sd2/sd3 will be able to diagnose and confirm the part required.

2. Have a chat with somebody like suprano stu from the used parts suppliers list. If he has both the parts you need then he may be willing to send you both on a sale / return basis so that you only pay for the part you actually need and return the non used part to him.

For what it is worth i would start with the handset itself as it is easier to access before digging down for the GSM module.

As i said the only two diagnostic tools that i know of that can access both the modules you need are Leonardo and SD2/SD3. Leonardo could access them but not confirm which part. So your left with SD2/SD3 circa £25k if you wanted to buy it.

Hopefully that helps you form a plan.

Steve from EasyMas did say on the Beta thread that EasyMas first release would not be able to access the NIT to interegate your phone problem.
No it wont at the moment. If i recall correctly you need to access both the NIT module and the telematic communication module.

EasyMas currently for the first release at least doesnt list those as supported modules.

View attachment 83213

As far as i am aware there are only two diagnostic tools that can communicate with both of these which are SD2/SD3 and Leonardo.

The NQS module listed is for the dashpod for service reset and other functions. It doesnt cover what you need.

Just a thought on quickest and easiest way to solve the issue for you. The leonardo diagnostic you already had done couldnt tell if the GSM module was at fault or the handset was at fault. So you seem to be left with two options.

1. Either have it diagnosed at an indy with sd2/sd3 or at least call one and ask them if sd2/sd3 will be able to diagnose and confirm the part required.

2. Have a chat with somebody like suprano stu from the used parts suppliers list. If he has both the parts you need then he may be willing to send you both on a sale / return basis so that you only pay for the part you actually need and return the non used part to him.

For what it is worth i would start with the handset itself as it is easier to access before digging down for the GSM module.

As i said the only two diagnostic tools that i know of that can access both the modules you need are Leonardo and SD2/SD3. Leonardo could access them but not confirm which part. So your left with SD2/SD3 circa £25k if you wanted to buy it.

Hopefully that helps you form a plan.

Steve from EasyMas did say on the Beta thread that EasyMas first release would not be able to access the NIT to interegate your phone problem.

Hi ,

We are working on the following for future releases of EasyMAS :-
M138 - ABS and Airbag.
M139 - Parking Brake, Parking Sensor, TPMS.
M145 - Parking Brake, Parking Sensor, TPMS.
All - Enhanced Engine.

As for the NIT - This should be possible with EasyMAS in a future release. The communication needed should be just to the NIT , the GSM module has a data-bus directly to the NIT with no direct diagnostic. So if we can read the NIT then we should be good to go. In Richards case assuming the NIT is working in all other aspects the fault code U1012 must be the data-bus between NIT and the GSM module. I believe we have mentioned this before :- Faulty GSM module, no power to GSM module, damaged / faulty connection on the data-bus between the NIT and the GSM module.

As for sales - EasyMAS Read only units are starting to shift, it may mean we have to ship on a first come first serve basis.

Also we will not engage in ping / pong posts about other solutions compared to EasyMAS, we stand by the growing ability of EasyMAS and will not enter into pricing discussions which if we understand correctly are stated as being between £10 to £25000.

Regards
 
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