Energy crisis

[hashluck]

Did the electricity procurement for a school yesterday. And the 'best' prices we got were absolutely horrendous!
29p kWh as a day rate for a Half Hourly Meter on a one year contract.
It was almost 22p for a 3 year contract!

All this tells me is that there are going to be some very tough times for energy users over the next few years.

When I fixed my domestic one 6 weeks ago I got what I thought was a bit rough at 18p But for commercial prices to be that high, and the market indicators are showing further rises coming, mean that sub 20p electricity prices are a thing of the past!

Managed to fix at just over 20p just before the latest, didn't feel great but looks like a good deal now

 

[stikey]

Did the electricity procurement for a school yesterday. And the 'best' prices we got were absolutely horrendous!
29p kWh as a day rate for a Half Hourly Meter on a one year contract.
It was almost 22p for a 3 year contract!

All this tells me is that there are going to be some very tough times for energy users over the next few years.

When I fixed my domestic one 6 weeks ago I got what I thought was a bit rough at 18p But for commercial prices to be that high, and the market indicators are showing further rises coming, mean that sub 20p electricity prices are a thing of the past!

they need the perfect curve

 

[Scaf]

So the COP26 conference VIPs will be chauffeured around in electric cars, which makes sense until they realise they there are not enough EV chargers in the area to cope, so they will have to import generators. What a bunch of muppets.

 

[Scaf]

True leadership would be to pick everyone up diesel and petrol and admit in the opening speach that we have a long way to go if we can’t even host an environment conference with EV’s.

That assumes of course , that our leaders believe that EV’s are the answer.

 

[bigbob]

So the COP26 conference VIPs will be chauffeured around in electric cars, which makes sense until they realise they there are not enough EV chargers in the area to cope, so they will have to import generators. What a bunch of muppets.

I suspect this happens all the time at events like this. There will not be enough lab made chicken to go round either.

 

[2b1ask1]

Oh dear, on-par with David Attenborough standing on a mountain top in Peru, followed by Cape Town and Iceland telling us we need to save the planet!

 

[Zep]

Years ago I had a colleague who said, when I told her my sister worked in fund raising for a charity, “I don’t understand why people who work for a charity get paid, surely they should do it for nothing if they believe in the cause”. I explained at some length, that that they operate like a business. If you bring in more income than you cost, then you are adding value to the charity / business / cause.

She just didn’t get it.

 

[Gazcw]

Years ago I had a colleague who said, when I told her my sister worked in fund raising for a charity, “I don’t understand why people who work for a charity get paid, surely they should do it for nothing if they believe in the cause”. I explained at some length, that that they operate like a business. If you bring in more income than you cost, then you are adding value to the charity / business / cause.

She just didn’t get it.

I bet she did......

 

[breezer]

Oh dear, on-par with David Attenborough standing on a mountain top in Peru, followed by Cape Town and Iceland telling us we need to save the planet!

Not even remotely similar. That’s an investment of a tiny amount of pollution to inspire a whole generation. Criticising that is like a shopkeeper saying “I won’t invest £10 in stock that I can sell for £1,000 because my objective is to make money and by using £10 I’ll be losing money!”

By showing people more of their world in a way that spoke to them, his tiny CO2 output will likely have prevented countless tonnes in future.

 

[midlifecrisis]

 

[Mr Spoon]

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Yes this is very correct. Have a gentle Google for ev charging points running out of fuel... That's right... Fuel.

Turns out, quite a large number are powered by generators.

 

[Oishi]

This is but one photo of the Bayan Obo mine in China. It is the world's largest for rare earth elements. It is so toxic, nothing may grow there for years.
These rare earths are the back bone of all green energy schemes.

 

[Mr Spoon]

On another note, I run multiple depots in the oil industry, so whilst climate change is bad etc, its paying for the soundtrack of that exceptional 4.2L V8

 

[breezer]

Yes this is very correct. Have a gentle Google for ev charging points running out of fuel... That's right... Fuel.

Turns out, quite a large number are powered by generators.

Tried this but could only find confirmation that there was once one photo of a breakdown van with a generator and that was a fake?

Look, I don’t think EVs are the best option at the moment, and may not ever be if we can get Mr. Bamford’s hydrogen combustion engine into the mainstream, but I dislike internet lies/gullibility and believe they’re doing more damage to society than either fuel or EVs.

 

[breezer]

This is but one photo of the Bayan Obo mine in China. It is the world's largest for rare earth elements. It is so toxic, nothing may grow there for years.
These rare earths are the back bone of all green energy schemes.
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Show that to the Gulf of Mexico. That’ll make it feel better.

Being less flippant - have you seen any other mines or oil wells? It’s all vile. But unless we go back to having a global population of <1bn (which I’m not against) living in mud huts (which I am against) then we will need to mine stuff and mess up some areas of the planet. What we need to be careful of is systematically messing up the entire planet.

 

[midlifecrisis]

Tried this but could only find confirmation that there was once one photo of a breakdown van with a generator and that was a fake?

Look, I don’t think EVs are the best option at the moment, and may not ever be if we can get Mr. Bamford’s hydrogen combustion engine into the mainstream, but I dislike internet lies/gullibility and believe they’re doing more damage to society than either fuel or EVs.

Whilst I agree with you on the internet bs including my picture above, it was a joke, Formula E has had some charge capacity issues...but let's keep that quiet.

 

[Mr Spoon]

Tried this but could only find confirmation that there was once one photo of a breakdown van with a generator and that was a fake?

Look, I don’t think EVs are the best option at the moment, and may not ever be if we can get Mr. Bamford’s hydrogen combustion engine into the mainstream, but I dislike internet lies/gullibility and believe they’re doing more damage to society than either fuel or EVs.

didn't have the affect i was hoping for. Lets do this a different way, I deliver to a large quantity of EV points to fill generator tanks.

 

[zagatoes30]

Electricity is a second hand energy source we need to convert some other energy source to create it which isn't entirely bad if that energy source is renewable of clean i.e. solar, wind etc. However ar present a fair amount of electricity is still created from oil & gas. I have no issue with this as they seem to be moving in the right direction but least admit to the problem.

EVs on the other hand require batteries and current technology requires us digging up some pretty toxic stuff that is in short supply and then transporting it around the world for manufacture before being put into new vehicles that need to manufactured using even more energy.

There is no simple answer, but surely curtailing the consumerism of the modern world would help, why do we need new cars when there are plenty of perfectly good ones around which have already created their impact in the manufacture process and even though they are less efficient it will take years before that balances the impact of building a new one. The planet is a very adaptable place, you only need to see how it started to recovery during the first lockdown when no one moved. I not saying this is the answer but if we all thought a bit more about what we do, change is possible and the bigger we are individual, family, business, government the more impact we can have by making small changes.

 

[Tallman]

At the end of the day it is not about what fuel source you use or whether you need one to create another, it is about the total emissions of harmful gasses and particles from the conversion of resources to energy actually used. So you need to look at the efficiency of the processes. The internal combustion engine is unfortunately for us petrol heads not the most efficient, that’s what it all boils down to. If you create bulk electricity/energy more efficiently or clean than a whole bunch of engines then it is obviously the way to go. Granted you need to take into account the emissions from producing an EV vs a combustion engines car, but that is the “fixed cost” element vs the “variable cost” element of driving. The more you drive the more the “variable cost” element comes into play. On the ”fixed cost“ element, an EV has less parts, less maintenance so that also has to be taken into account.

 

[TimR]

The batteries are recyclable...so there’s that !
In essence I agree however... A typical EV will, I understand,use two battery packs in its lifetime. Consider that the manufacture of each such power storage cell produces roughly the same carbon footprint as the manufacturing of an entire ICE vehicle, the maths don’t stack...
ICE will then billow GHG throughout its lifetime in use....but to offset this against EV, when the infrastructure to deliver the EV fuel to charge points already needs manufacturing and installing....to get the maths wrong is not a mistake we can afford to make, regardless of whether we can actually deliver renewables to the service points...
Politics and capitalism....
After years in forestry, arboriculture and conservation, I long since retired.
People are willfully ignorant about it. And some are just thick...and many won’teven entertain discussion....
So sh1t decisions get made by idiots for other idiots whilst the rest of us are left reeling to unravel fact from fiction.

I’m sure some of you think you are very funny. But I read a lot of sh1t that is neither funny nor clever. And from fucker3 I think should know better..
Nothing cracks me up more than middle aged old farts getting their hysterics on for a teenager with aspergers and a megaphone...
In Trump we trust....