Ferrari support and sd2/3

mjheathcote

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Italia Autosport around the corner from me have posted on Facebook that they have decided to move into the 21st century and get a diagnostic/programmer for modern Ferrari.
Thought I would pop in for a chat.
They haven't purchased as yet, and the reason being is that they have customers with modern Ferraris that the main dealers aren't interested in maintaining anymore, such as the 458. 458 I said, yup 458!!
I said what are they getting? they haven't decided as yet but it won't be the sd2/3 as apparently the sd2/3 isn't available to buy from Ferrari, strict main dealer only.
One can only assume that the sd2/3 that are being used out of the main dealer network are those obtained from old closed dealerships etc.
Didn't know that.
 

ChrisQP09

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That's crazy! Surely the 458 with it's engine is a well known piece of kit and electronics aside, should be handy for these MDs to work on.

Low hanging fruits? especially as they're coming up to being out of warranty etc.
 

MrMickS

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All 458s are still able to be covered by the Ferrari Power-15 extended warranty until 2024. I'd be very surprised if our local dealer would accept warranty work but not other maintenance.
 

conaero

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Get them to look at the Leonardo System it does it all and sensible annual subscription too with great support. You can also buy other marque packs to add into it so it’s all on one machine.
 

Dman666

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I have a garage we supply goods to in America and they trying to get a Mclaren diagonistic tool but nothing seems available ...any ideas
 
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Well, 458 etc isn't a SD3 car it's from the cross over period going to a DEIS/MD tester, (just like a SD3 won't go beyond QPV or GT, hence we have MD/DEIS for later cars)
Leonardo is the most well known aftermarket tester, costly but does cover a lot of cars.

Factory testers like for example a MDE require not only a subscriptions, costly investments and approvals from head-office. (trust me I know, i have them)
SD2/3 and the SDX haven't been made in a long time, the last updated testers i recall run ether 07 or 09 firmware/software.
SD's come in ether Ferrari, Maserati OR a Combined tester, (there are even knockoff testers, those do not have the badges left and right)

Then a large portion of SD3's had time locks, aka every year you pay fees to unlock testers for 12 months, (MD, MDE, DEIS all work like that as they're laptops)
Lock free SD3 "full" exists and is the most valuable as they never expire and can run all cars they can also code airbags and alarms (there are "light" versions, especially with later laptops)

SD3's require old-school Windows XP or 98 laptops with RS232 ports to maintain them and if equipped to run SD2 Emulation mode (don't underestimate that)
Further more SD3's have a basic wiring and cable kit, there where dozens of additions and adapters, often they are missing or damaged, you'll need them heavily depending on the models you work on.
There even infamous "switch matrix" adapter modules which are required for certain models and if not used properly you can really mess up a BCM

MD, MDe, DEIS
Are later laptops, they require subscriptions and will lock, as there aren't lock free variants they need internet every week, unlike the Porsche PIEWIS which i believe must see internet to boot, and a McLaren pass-trough that is online
They as well have whole adapter kits depending on the model and version.
Often they aren't full (key codeing, trw programming, nqs writing)

Basically the same applies to LARA & LDAS from Lamborghini, but i'm not going to bore a Maserati forum with that.

Word of warning,
We've received many Maserati's in the shop from other garages that have messed up configuration & calibration files by using aftermarket testers (for example software in the tester doesn't match firmware variant of car's modules, there can be a myriad of those in a production run)
To be honest there is also a ton of incorrect info floating around online, so it's easy if you know what you're doing but to be frank a amateur can ruin a car with a factory SD if used improperly

A aftermarket tester can very very easily misinterpret data coming out of the Maserati, 4200GT and QPV has quite a few interesting ways of doing this.
Let alone writing data or calibrations to a module (if you are outputting a reverse engineered V201 software in to a V231 car you can really mess it up) if a aftermarket computer can read "Florence" can network language (proprietary Ferrari/Maserati) it doesn't mean it can properly send configurations out to the modules.
This is where Lamborghini Gallardo logic's (vagcom with a lambo edit) don't match with a Ferrari.
 

rivarama

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Very strange indeed. My main dealer is happy to service anything… including my 430 and 550
 

Ewan

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Meridien will tackle any FerrarI. They are also registered/appointed for Classiche work and restoration.