The whinging bitches politics poo-bin thread

[GeoffCapes]

In this day and age, being gay, bi, pan, transgender, ginger (!), is no longer an issue. As long as you can do the job you're employed to do, then who gives a fk!

Does this mean she has sex with pans?

 

[MAF260]

True enough, he joined Lloyds and then went on the sick if my memory serves...

Briefly, yes. He then championed mental health awareness and wellbeing which Lloyds have massively supported and invested in since. Credit where credit is due. Aside from that I cannot think of anything else decent they've done. I worked with them as a client for 3 years. Hateful company.

 

[P5Nij]

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As it was released in 1980 I dare say most people think it's a pop at Thatcher's government but as I understand it he actually wrote it in '78 while Labour were still in office - the Winter of discontent was just around the corner

 

[philw696]

 

[Felonious Crud]

As it was released in 1980 I dare say most people think it's a pop at Thatcher's government but as I understand it he actually wrote it in '78 while Labour were still in office - the Winter of discontent was just around the corner

If going underground can lead a chap to amass a fortune on the scale of Mr Weller's, I might just try it myself.

 

[Scaf]

Does no one differentiate between an actual “party” and a couple of glasses of wine at a staff leaving-do? Typical media exaggeration. Labours claim of “industrial scale partying” shows just how out of touch with reality they really are. A couple of dozen people wearing suits and ties having a socially distanced glass of wine hardly amounts to ISP in my book!

I agree the hype at around this being a party as opposed to some sort of other gathering, is typical UK politics. But I don’t think we can hide from the lack of leadership shown, they shouldn’t have been doing anything that could have been considered as breaking the rules or not being within the spirit of the rules.
At the opposite end of the scale you had the Queen sitting alone as a “message to the people” when she could have had members of her household with her. If her children and or grandchildren had moved in with her that week, they would ask been able to sit with her legally.

 

[philw696]

 

[CatmanV2]

Because Cromwell was an absolute paragon of virtue

C

 

[Oneball]

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Said by a man after he’d spent the last 4 years killing 3/4 million Irish men, women and children, whilst leading armed soldiers into Parliament to dissolve it, the same thing he’d executed a king for.

 

[Sommi]

 

[Ewan]

I also don't understand the sensationalism of comparing the possibly-illegal-but-also-possibly-legal act of having a drink at/after work, with the exemplary behaviour of our Queen. To me this whole saga just shouts of the media doing its usual molehill-to-mountain exaggerating.
If the sipping of Pinot Grigio bothers some people, so be it. It just happens not to bother me.

 

[Felonious Crud]

If the sipping of Pinot Grigio bothers some people, so be it. It just happens not to bother me.

Despise the stuff, myself.

 

[midlifecrisis]

If going underground can lead a chap to amass a fortune on the scale of Mr Weller's, I might just try it myself.

Not just once but twice...

 

[UlstermanAbroad]

Said by a man after he’d spent the last 4 years killing 3/4 million Irish men, women and children, whilst leading armed soldiers into Parliament to dissolve it, the same thing he’d executed a king for.

There is more than one version of events in Drogheda and beyond. Accepted history to date was written by Roman Catholic priests, who undoubtedly had their own agenda. Researchers since, have disproved much of what was claimed as fact, by the Roman Catholic Church. For example: Denis Faul: Armagh Diocesan Historical Society is only one source of many, who offer a more balanced view of this era in history.

As to Cromwell's speech to Parliament. From the excerpt above. It seems to me that not much has changed in the 400 years since Cromwell spoke. Or maybe, we've come full circle. Either way, I suspect that if you weeded out the dishonest and self serving, you'd be left with roughly 1-200 in each of the Houses of Parliament.
I would call that progress.

I also don't understand the sensationalism of comparing the possibly-illegal-but-also-possibly-legal act of having a drink at/after work, with the exemplary behaviour of our Queen. To me this whole saga just shouts of the media doing its usual molehill-to-mountain exaggerating.
If the sipping of Pinot Grigio bothers some people, so be it. It just happens not to bother me.

I understand your point of view Ewan. In many instances, I would agree with you. However, not in this case.

Lying to Parliament is one of the few remaining 'resigning principles' that an M.P. can transgress. It must be so, because if a representative of the people and even more so, one of Her Majesty's Ministers knowingly lies to Parliament, it shows such contempt for the institution, that the offender cannot remain.

Millions have died and millions more have sacrificed their health and well-being to defend our way of life and central to that is our parliamentary democracy. Demonstrating contempt for Parliament is demonstrating contempt for those who have sacrificed to preserve it.

When our government enacted draconian laws to counteract Covid, most of us accepted the attached restrictions, for the greater good. For some of us, that meant not being with our loved ones, when they died. Many died alone. Many others only had a stranger to hold their hand, as they died. I can well understand that for a large number of people, that is a wound which will not heal.

So, if it emerges that while we were sacrificing so much, those who told us that such sacrifices were necessary, themselves partied regularly, disregarding all of the laws written by themselves, well perhaps you can understand why much of the public is angry. Much of the media is only reflecting this anger.

What truly saddens me, is the lacklustre calibre of those now positioning themselves to succeed Boris, if he falls.
What almost makes me laugh, is the towering lack of self awareness shown by those who claim Boris to be the worst Prime Minister in our history. I'm looking at you Bercow. Probably the worst Speaker in our history.

 

[conaero]

I also don't understand the sensationalism of comparing the possibly-illegal-but-also-possibly-legal act of having a drink at/after work, with the exemplary behaviour of our Queen. To me this whole saga just shouts of the media doing its usual molehill-to-mountain exaggerating.
If the sipping of Pinot Grigio bothers some people, so be it. It just happens not to bother me.

Covids nearly done Ewan, the media are engineering up the next sh!tstorm to make them feel self important.

 

[philw696]

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[Oneball]

There is more than one version of events in Drogheda and beyond. Accepted history to date was written by Roman Catholic priests, who undoubtedly had their own agenda. Researchers since, have disproved much of what was claimed as fact, by the Roman Catholic Church. For example: Denis Faul: Armagh Diocesan Historical Society is only one source of many, who offer a more balanced view of this era in history.

As to Cromwell's speech to Parliament. From the excerpt above. It seems to me that not much has changed in the 400 years since Cromwell spoke. Or maybe, we've come full circle. Either way, I suspect that if you weeded out the dishonest and self serving, you'd be left with roughly 1-200 in each of the Houses of Parliament.
I would call that progress.

It’s widely accepted that Cromwell’s campaign in Ireland was particularly nasty. His policy of ethnic cleansing was what I was referring to rather than the massacres at Drogheda and other places.

His speech in Parliament whilst overthrowing it by force was treason and he replaced it with a body that in 6 months had installed him as Lord Protector. He is the living embodiment of a freedom fighter becoming what he overthrew.

 

[Ewan]

There is more than one version of events in Drogheda and beyond. Accepted history to date was written by Roman Catholic priests, who undoubtedly had their own agenda. Researchers since, have disproved much of what was claimed as fact, by the Roman Catholic Church. For example: Denis Faul: Armagh Diocesan Historical Society is only one source of many, who offer a more balanced view of this era in history.

As to Cromwell's speech to Parliament. From the excerpt above. It seems to me that not much has changed in the 400 years since Cromwell spoke. Or maybe, we've come full circle. Either way, I suspect that if you weeded out the dishonest and self serving, you'd be left with roughly 1-200 in each of the Houses of Parliament.
I would call that progress.




I understand your point of view Ewan. In many instances, I would agree with you. However, not in this case.

Lying to Parliament is one of the few remaining 'resigning principles' that an M.P. can transgress. It must be so, because if a representative of the people and even more so, one of Her Majesty's Ministers knowingly lies to Parliament, it shows such contempt for the institution, that the offender cannot remain.

Millions have died and millions more have sacrificed their health and well-being to defend our way of life and central to that is our parliamentary democracy. Demonstrating contempt for Parliament is demonstrating contempt for those who have sacrificed to preserve it.

When our government enacted draconian laws to counteract Covid, most of us accepted the attached restrictions, for the greater good. For some of us, that meant not being with our loved ones, when they died. Many died alone. Many others only had a stranger to hold their hand, as they died. I can well understand that for a large number of people, that is a wound which will not heal.

So, if it emerges that while we were sacrificing so much, those who told us that such sacrifices were necessary, themselves partied regularly, disregarding all of the laws written by themselves, well perhaps you can understand why much of the public is angry. Much of the media is only reflecting this anger.

What truly saddens me, is the lacklustre calibre of those now positioning themselves to succeed Boris, if he falls.
What almost makes me laugh, is the towering lack of self awareness shown by those who claim Boris to be the worst Prime Minister in our history. I'm looking at you Bercow. Probably the worst Speaker in our history.

I totally agree that deliberately and knowingly lying to Parliament about an important issue is a no-no.
But I'm not convinced that a drink at/after work, or at a staff members leaving do count as being either a party or important, and I'm not sure Boris has lied.
That a lack of judgement has been demonstrated is not in doubt .

 

[Oneball]

I totally agree that deliberately and knowingly lying to Parliament about an important issue is a no-no.
But I'm not convinced that a drink at/after work, or at a staff members leaving do count as being either a party or important, and I'm not sure Boris has lied.
That a lack of judgement has been demonstrated is not in doubt .

In my eyes it was definitely against the rules. I don’t really care but it falls under the Oscar Wilde mind bendingly stupid rule. If you’re going to do something that stupid (it was always going to be perceived the way it has been) you deserve your cumupance.

 

[UlstermanAbroad]

It’s widely accepted that Cromwell’s campaign in Ireland was particularly nasty. His policy of ethnic cleansing was what I was referring to rather than the massacres at Drogheda and other places.

His speech in Parliament whilst overthrowing it by force was treason and he replaced it with a body that in 6 months had installed him as Lord Protector. He is the living embodiment of a freedom fighter becoming what he overthrew.

I can't speak to what Cromwell did in England. It's something that I know I need to read up on.
I realise you were referring to the campaign. Not one or two particular battles. However, I was using Drogheda as an example of how Cromwell's actions in Ireland have largely been misreported until comparatively recently.
When the vast majority of accounts came from the Roman Catholic Church, an institution which has usually put its own agenda above all else, then its not surprising that a more balanced and accurate view has been emerging for some time.
I'm not saying the English response to the rebellion wasn't brutal. Such was warfare worldwide at that time. There were no Geneva Conventions obviously. Just as obviously, when most people are illiterate and local priests are the only literate persons left to record events. What emerges is hardly going to be balanced and truthful.