Petrol/Diesel new car ban

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lifes2short said:
this whole eco/green/ev/hybrid car thing is nonsense imo, reminds me of when labour were banging on about how good diesels were and promoting them, now it's a dirty word
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To be honest, I suspected as much too, but got the car because of tax. But it has been quite a lot more efficient than I expected and nice to drive as a daily. When the battery chemistry issue is resolved - as I said before, Sodium Ion will prevent the need for precious metals - it will be quite an impressive option.

If I were you, I’d try one and see what you think.
 
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Koz said:
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Electric cars only greener than petrol after 50,000 miles — The Times and The Sunday Times

Electric cars have to travel as far as 50,000 miles to match the carbon footprint of a petrol model because of the massive amount of energy consumed during the production process, according to research. Making an electric car generates high levels of greenhouse gas emissions, mainly because of...
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That takes me just over two years so perhaps they are aimed at me....
 
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I don t think I ve ever bought a car with less than 50k on the clock
Anything less than that would be like a new car to me
 
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GeoffCapes said:
Saw this article this morning and (to me at least) it makes it patently obvious that there is no way in a million years, let alone 10 that we will be able to all be driving electric cars in 10 years time.

www.nhm.ac.uk

Leading scientists set out resource challenge of meeting net zero emissions in the UK by 2050

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We all know change is happening and that we adapt. But at last that is the most sensibly written, factual and intellectual article on all this I think I’ve read.

I’d have more respect for a government that said we’re heading that way. But it’s going to take this long, rather than pick a date form thin air and then ignore science because that then forces silly decisions.
 
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bigbob said:
And that's on a really expensive cars but public charging stations are real social levellers especially if a Nissan Leaf was blocking the bays.

They should have just got Porsche recovery to take them and the car home as it had broken down...
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This is the tricky bit for me. It’s going to be very reliant on people charging at home. The beauty of a petrol station is in and out in 5 minutes. Serves 100’s+ cars a day and don’t take up too much room.
How is that going to adapt for electric cars and the millions upon millions of people that live in flats.
The other concern I have and it is a concern, those traffic jams caused by accidents, 100’s and more of cars. It’s winter. Stick for 1, 2, 3 hours. Children and babies in cars. Heating on. Traffic jam cleared and suddenly you have 50 cars flat as a fart stuck on a major road. Guaranteed it’s going to happen. Or minimum case a 100 cars pulling into the next services because they have 5% charge left and the chaos that ensues
 
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Ryandoc said:
This is the tricky bit for me. It’s going to be very reliant on people charging at home. The beauty of a petrol station is in and out in 5 minutes. Serves 100’s+ cars a day and don’t take up too much room.
How is that going to adapt for electric cars and the millions upon millions of people that live in flats.
The other concern I have and it is a concern, those traffic jams caused by accidents, 100’s and more of cars. It’s winter. Stick for 1, 2, 3 hours. Children and babies in cars. Heating on. Traffic jam cleared and suddenly you have 50 cars flat as a fart stuck on a major road. Guaranteed it’s going to happen. Or minimum case a 100 cars pulling into the next services because they have 5% charge left and the chaos that ensues
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Yep. It's coming and I/Mrs BB will have one or two electric cars for sub 75 mile radius from home trips but I will keep a petrol car for long journeys. My main family car is a petrol XC90 and that is perfect for long runs, holidays etc and it's an impressive car on winter tyres. Might get a replacement new one near them ending production.
 
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Oneball said:
It’s strange how in my lifetime Guardian readers have gone from 2CV driving Trotskyites to Porsche Taycan owning Yuppies.

The Taycan has a range of over 200 miles so it’s a bit like not putting petrol in the car.
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But non of us have ever left the house with that needle nearly touching the zero mark and still
Managed to get to a station.

But as I always state on my posts it’s just the progress that will have to be made and the change in mindset.

But I can see issues along the way until it becomes the norm. I think the difference between ICE and electric is when ICE built up its dominance, it was a first. For electric everything we’ve done to accommodate the ICE now has to change and apparently very quickly
 
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bigbob said:
Yep. It's coming and I/Mrs BB will have one or two electric cars for sub 75 mile radius from home trips but I will keep a petrol car for long journeys. My main family car is a petrol XC90 and that is perfect for long runs, holidays etc and it's an impressive car on winter tyres. Might get a replacement new one near them ending production.
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It’s like I’ve always said electric definitely has its place. Cleaner air will be the biggest single factor for me. The city pollution will dramatically improve. But unless we get to a point whereby we can achieve a dump charge in 5-10 minutes on all cars then to accommodate the millions of cars on our roads, compromise will be needed by everyone.

We are going to need charging points literally everywhere. Every parking space, every single place a car can be, will need a charger
 
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Ryandoc said:
But non of us have ever left the house with that needle nearly touching the zero mark and still
Managed to get to a station.
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I’m guess you meant to say “not managed” in which case some of us have.

Old house in red, petroleum station in blue, ran out at green cross. Can even tell you the date, 5th Nov 95

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