Sale of ICE cars 9 years left

mjheathcote

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But hybrids until 2035.
Considering the amount of hybrids available and EV cars now, easily achievable.
'Just' the charging issue for those with street parking etc.
My concern will be the tax/fuel availability at affordable cost for existing ICE car owners.
The way it is going, I'll be retiring with an electric car, with ICE cars to tinker with.
My kids though will only really remember ICE cars as those funny things Dad used to drive!
 
Oneball

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I’ve been thinking about this lightly in respect of racing. Do my ice race cars become worthless at some point as they’re no longer useable? Thing is at the moment there is virtually no EV or hybrid motorsport across Europe as most venues aren’t able to meet the safety regs for them.
 
mjheathcote

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Thing is, we are talking about the UK, not Europe or the rest of the world here.
I don't know what the targets are for the EU, and the majority of the rest of the world probably don't!!
 
Wack61

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It'll be at least 2050 before the ICE is dead. If I'm still alive ( unlikely) I won't really care.

I'd think in the next 10 years the EV will have evolved that much the ICE will be redundant anyway.

Yes there's the noise of a V8 but in pure speed terms the EV leaves them for dead off the line today , once they get the range/ charging times sorted out sales will increase

The only issue is cost , nobody running a 15 year old golf is finding £400 a month for an EV anytime soon
 
Phil H

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It's all a bit pie in the sky imho. UK governments seem to like 'taking the lead' on climate change and ministers announce ambitious plans to end ICE once and for all, but little thought is given to exactly how that will be achieved; the UK infrastructure is not designed to cope with millions of non-ICE vehicles and I can't see that being addressed in the next 20 years let alone 10. In large parts of the country public transport is a joke, so what exactly is the alternative if/when ICE is phased out? Conversely, the treasury can quickly ramp up the cost of ownership of ICE vehicles which will inevitably be used as cash cows - with owners being punished whilst having no way out.

I doubt that the masterplan will be achieved in my lifetime, but in any case I'll have had the pleasure of 50 years of petrol power, and my grandchildren will have experienced the delights of Maserati motoring.

PH
 
BJL

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The current projections for power generation by 2030 assuming the government achieve their Electric car use will require a minimum of 8GW on top of the current peak power usage of 60 GW nationally. The new fast breeder at Hinckley when it comes on line will produce a maximum of 3.2GW at full output.

Put this demand together with the increase in normal demand for electricity as oil and gas central heating is phased out the current projection of new GW power output to satisfy demand will require at least 4 new Power stations the size of Hinkley or larger to be on line and at full output by 2028 in England alone.

Knowing how long Hinkley took to plan and fund i think there will be a lot of electric cars littering the highways with ICE vehicles going to their rescue.
 
Wack61

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Can you imagine what it'd be like if they went to a scalextric type system, seeing all those audi drivers missing their junction because they were still in lane three at the 100yd marker

But having seen how long it takes to convert the hard shoulder into a live lane they'd need to start now to have it ready by 2030

I can see the current( no pun intended) charging system being a stepping stone to something else , 10 years is a long time to develop something much more efficient
 
lifes2short

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Phil H said:
It's all a bit pie in the sky imho. UK governments seem to like 'taking the lead' on climate change and ministers announce ambitious plans to end ICE once and for all, but little thought is given to exactly how that will be achieved; the UK infrastructure is not designed to cope with millions of non-ICE vehicles and I can't see that being addressed in the next 20 years let alone 10. In large parts of the country public transport is a joke, so what exactly is the alternative if/when ICE is phased out? Conversely, the treasury can quickly ramp up the cost of ownership of ICE vehicles which will inevitably be used as cash cows - with owners being punished whilst having no way out.

I doubt that the masterplan will be achieved in my lifetime, but in any case I'll have had the pleasure of 50 years of petrol power, and my grandchildren will have experienced the delights of Maserati motoring.

PH
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bang on the money there
 
elan

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Do you guys think the value of the semi-exotic ICE cars like Maserati and Porsche will depreciate significantly or appreciate? I can imagine certain rare exotics models won't be affected.
 
dickygrace

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Lots of great points on here, there’s no way there will be a blanket ban on ICE in 2030, they’ll kick the can down the road. I won’t start a rant about my thoughts on EV’s, but like @BJL has pointed out, the infrastructure doesn’t work. Lack of natural resources is also a big problem to manufacture EV’s in the required numbers.
 
rockits

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I don't think we will change over to EV's overnight either. The key is to get dailies and the mainstream commercial infrastructure like Amazon etc. using EV's which is certainly possibly and is already coming. Our miniscule impacts of low miles Maserati V8's has little to no significance.

This is a good watch though:
 
allandwf

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I'm interested to see how hybrids and electrics fair once they are 10 years plus old, when they fall into the hands of people who are less well off. Will they be viable and cost effective to keep on the road? What will the drivers of 10 to 15 year old Fords, Vauxhalls and the like be driving down the line?
 
Doctor Houx

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And there is the whole commercial sector too. I don’t expect to see all the 40ft trailer units being replaced with electric at the same time, so there will still be a load of high polluting diesel trucks running around and a huge demand for diesel still.
 
Wack61

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A guy on another forum i'm on a guy bought what is probably the cheapest Nissan leaf in the UK £2800 on an 11 plate
One of the problems is going to be range on 10 year old batteries , his leaf is only 50 miles on a good day , he's not run it through a winter yet so heating,wipers,lights , less efficient batteries in the winter, it could be down to 30 miles on a cold dull wet day in February

I can't see many people wanting an EV with a 50 mile range at any price , especially as they'll have moved to pay as you go road charging by then to make up the tax loss from the ICE
 
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