SKY TV s health and safety BS

Rex B

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Sky should be praised for developing a safe system of work for their staff and enforcing it even at the risk of loosing customers. I know it’s seems safe to work on a flat roof but without handrails around the perimeter it is all to easy to lose your bearings and slip and fall over the side. I worked in the construction industry for 50 years and there have been many deaths resulting from fallsfrom ladders, steps and platforms with no handrails so although it might seem over the top they are just looking after the safety of their employees.
 
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DJS

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Rex B said:
Sky should be praised for developing a safe system of work for their staff and enforcing it even at the risk of loosing customers. I know it’s seems safe to work on a flat roof but without handrails around the perimeter it is all to easy to lose your bearings and slip and fall over the side. I worked in the construction industry for 50 years and there have been many deaths resulting from fallsfrom ladders, steps and platforms with no handrails so although it might seem over the top they are just looking after the safety of their employees.
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I ve also worked in construction industry for near on 45 years and I KNOW without doubt it would have been safe - safer than any ladder no matter how many anchor bolts you have - I appreciate Skys concern for their workers and a lot of health and safety measures have been a good thing unfortunately sometimes at the expense of common sense
 
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Oneball said:
3 fatalities a month in UK construction due to falls from height, the majority of which are from ladders, scaffolding or through fragile roofs. It’s not a stupid, pathetic or bollox rule.
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May be so but its usually idiots on small jobs taking chances - it used to be the norm back in the day to be literally forced to work on all sorts of dodgy ladders and scaffolds it possibly made you more aware and cautious and we used the lost art of common sense .Does nt matter how conscious a site is of safety at the start of a job it all goes out the window when the jobs running late - besides building firms are usually run by the worse type of people who did nt give a toss about the workers - until a little thing called No win no fee came along - that made the *** suddenly care about safety
 
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DJS said:
I ve also worked in construction industry for near on 45 years and I KNOW without doubt it would have been safe - safer than any ladder no matter how many anchor bolts you have - I appreciate Skys concern for their workers and a lot of health and safety measures have been a good thing unfortunately sometimes at the expense of common sense
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I have used that system and if the anchor, harness and restraint is installed and connected correctly there is zero chance of falling unless something fails catastrophically or the user does not follow procedure. A scaffold built by someone else that the engineer or sky has no knowledge of can be as ropey as **** and a flat roof just as bad. This all comes down to knowing the engineer is trained and competent to use what is issued and the equipment is controlled. Thats what they have to do as an employer. Granted, it would be quicker, easier and they could get more jobs done using customer supplied gear, but then prosecution, injury claims, insurance costs, prison and negative brand reputation costs an awful lot more than a few cancelled orders or subscriptions.
Ps. I don't work for Sky, but did work from height for many years and have fell off ladders, walked building steels and hung over the edge of Amazon size buildings in gales. It is just not clever anymore and not necessary.
 
rossyl

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They will only install
  • up to maximum height of ladder
  • where ladder can be secured to wall
  • subject to certain lean angle of ladder.

What most do is get them to install it somewhere temporary. Then call someone else out to fit it properly, or move it yourself.
 
lifes2short

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sorry, but what a load of bollox, proper scaffold is certainly safe as is a flat roof and certainly safer than any ladder whether mechanically tied to a building or not and i know which i'd rather stand on, there does need to be some common sense involved in these things otherwise f all gets done especially on building sites, elf n safety is important but not when it's ott and makes a small job in to a real drama
 
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It's not just Sky, last year a tree in next door neighbours garden came down on to BT line, didn't break main line but did break line to my house, and pulled pole at bottom of garden slightly out of upright, and pole in neighbours garden even more so. Said neighbour is high flying Libel lawyer trying to work from home, and when wasn't fixed for a couple of days was on to head of Open reach customer relations. You have never seen so many BT staff, 'can't climb pole, it is out of date, area manager arrives, 'can't climb pole it is leaning too much, talked to a couple of the guys, who are actually our area engineers, and they said they were happy to climb pole, but if someone else came out from a different gang, and saw pole had been climbed, they were quite likely to report them, really was farcical, eventually common sense was seen by someone, and they reconnected me. Anyway, thanks to said lawyer neighbour, we now have full fibre to the house, all installed by sub contractors over the summer, who were up and down poles, no questions asked!
 
Gazcw

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lifes2short said:
sorry, but what a load of bollox, proper scaffold is certainly safe as is a flat roof and certainly safer than any ladder whether mechanically tied to a building or not and i know which i'd rather stand on, there does need to be some common sense involved in these things otherwise f all gets done especially on building sites, elf n safety is important but not when it's ott and makes a small job in to a real drama
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I don't disagree, but it is very much dependant on the scaffold, scaffolder and how it goes up and what happens after it is put up ie. Weather events and changes made by the unqualified because a pole or board is in the way. Plus on a construction site relevant info and agreements will, be in place to ensure the safety of all users etc. It is the diy, one man building companies that sometimes take shortcuts due to costs or time that can cause the problems in someone else using it. The condition of a flat roof is unknown and there is no fall protection so the risk still exists. And tied ladders and a restrained person are just as safe for certain jobs, certainly 5 or 6 holes for a dish and cable on the side of a wall. The rule is upto 30 mins and 3 points of contact simples. The ambulance chasers are to blame mainly.
 
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DJS

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lifes2short said:
sorry, but what a load of bollox, proper scaffold is certainly safe as is a flat roof and certainly safer than any ladder whether mechanically tied to a building or not and i know which i'd rather stand on, there does need to be some common sense involved in these things otherwise f all gets done especially on building sites, elf n safety is important but not when it's ott and makes a small job in to a real drama
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Could nt agree more
rossyl said:
They will only install
  • up to maximum height of ladder
  • where ladder can be secured to wall
  • subject to certain lean angle of ladder.
What most do is get them to install it somewhere temporary. Then call someone else out to fit it properly, or move it yoursel
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Oneball

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lifes2short said:
anyone remember fred dibnah, absolutely fearless

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Biggest difference is he erected the gear. It’s not some random homeowner telling him “yeah it’s alright the roof is safe”. My mate works in missile development, 2 first class degrees from Cambridge and a phd. Can’t drive a nail through a block of wood let alone know anything about the structural integrity of his kitchen roof.
 
lifes2short

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Oneball said:
Biggest difference is he erected the gear. It’s not some random homeowner telling him “yeah it’s alright the roof is safe”. My mate works in missile development, 2 first class degrees from Cambridge and a phd. Can’t drive a nail through a block of wood let alone know anything about the structural integrity of his kitchen roof.
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but even a layperson or indeed these sky engineers can see perfectly well if a roof is safe or not, just blooming jobs worths otherwise
 
Gazcw

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Oneball said:
Biggest difference is he erected the gear. It’s not some random homeowner telling him “yeah it’s alright the roof is safe”. My mate works in missile development, 2 first class degrees from Cambridge and a phd. Can’t drive a nail through a block of wood let alone know anything about the structural integrity of his kitchen roof.
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Yeah but can he build a missile to get the Sky engineer high enough to align my dish?
 
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