Dashcam?

[drewf]

In the case of an incident where you feel you might be to blame, surely the first thing you'd do is unplug it and remove the evidence? Why would you admit to it recording? It's not an official record of events, nobody is required to have one in their car, and if it turns out the data card was corrupted, that's the end of the matter. It's genuinely happened to me, sadly at one of the Brunty events - the SD card failed, and the camera only recorded a few of the laps. The same camera is still working perfectly well in the car now, with a new memory card.

 

[Jkulin]

Problem is drew is that is you were unfortunately knocked out or injured and couldn't reach the camera then you would be stuffed.

 

[CatmanV2]

Problem is drew is that is you were unfortunately knocked out or injured and couldn't reach the camera then you would be stuffed.

Not sure the police have the right to access that data if you're unable to give permission. Might be an interesting test case.

C

 

[Sommi]

I am stuck with a quandary on this.
Purchased a Nextbase Duo from Halfords last week after some research. Chose this on the logic of minimal wiring needs and most coverage options from all angles.

When I called for an appointment to wire this up, the Halfords tech guy he is not very eager to touch a Maserati based on a previous Halfords incident where after wiring a new stereo led to the car being set on fire!!
(He was not involved, he said). He has assured me he will talk to other techies and come back with a date to have a look.

I have retrospectively contacted Autofficina and given them details of the dashcam. They will get back with a day and price to wire this in shortly.
Any ideas or pointers to get this done right and not setting the QP on fire would be really helpful.
Thanks.

 

[Wack61]

plug it in the f a g lighter, they come with a long cable, took me 10 minutes to run it along the top of the windscreen, down the door rubber, under the dash in the passenger footwell and under the edge of the centre console to the cigarette lighter , no cable on the dash and just a bit where it comes over the console but most of that obscured by the seat

 

[Wack61]

Yep Darren, but as I mentioned and Phil concurred do we really want to advertise to the old bill what speed we may or may not have been doing?

Problem is drew is that is you were unfortunately knocked out or injured and couldn't reach the camera then you would be stuffed.

if it was that bad I think they could probably work out how fast you were going

Just last week I recorded a truck reversing up a dual carriageway which could have been a lot worse if he had carried on

 

[drewf]

Problem is drew is that is you were unfortunately knocked out or injured and couldn't reach the camera then you would be stuffed.

Not really - I'd hope to be man enough to accept it if I was at fault. More concerned about the injury really.

Not sure the police have the right to access that data if you're unable to give permission. Might be an interesting test case.

C

They certainly can't go fishing, i.e. review the entire contents of the card to see what you've been up to, and then bring action based on that. In the event of an accident, then they could very well obtain that data as evidence, but since it's a private system I can't really see how it could be legally obtained without a court order. I suspect that would only be forthcoming in the event of a fatality.

I am stuck with a quandary on this.
Purchased a Nextbase Duo from Halfords last week after some research. Chose this on the logic of minimal wiring needs and most coverage options from all angles.

When I called for an appointment to wire this up, the Halfords tech guy he is not very eager to touch a Maserati based on a previous Halfords incident where after wiring a new stereo led to the car being set on fire!!
(He was not involved, he said). He has assured me he will talk to other techies and come back with a date to have a look.

I have retrospectively contacted Autofficina and given them details of the dashcam. They will get back with a day and price to wire this in shortly.
Any ideas or pointers to get this done right and not setting the QP on fire would be really helpful.
Thanks.

I put a dashcam into my QPV a few years ago - the wiring runs inside the headlining from the rear camera to the front, then from the front camera down the windscreen pillar, right to the base of the glovebox, across the floor, along the tunnel and picks up the switched live from the rear passenger cigar lighter, with a small inline fuse. Easy job, can't see any wires except the very short sections into the cameras. Hasn't caught fire yet...

 

[Sommi]

Thanks Darren. I am very scared to try but will give it a go!

 

[Needamaser]

In the event of an accident, then they could very well obtain that data as evidence, but since it's a private system I can't really see how it could be legally obtained without a court order. I suspect that would only be forthcoming in the event of a fatality.

Police are entitled to obtain evidence from a source where there is an allegation of a crime being committed. In this case speeding, careless or dangerous driving.
Not sure of process in England but in Scotland police would ask procurator fiscal to obtain a search warrant (signed by sheriff or perhaps a JP) to enable them to recover this or other potential evidence.
No different to obtaining warrants to seize phones or laptops etc where there is an allegation of sex abuse.
If car is in their custody whilst the request is made you may be hard pushed to remove the bits you don't want them to see. ;-)

 

[CatmanV2]

Police are entitled to obtain evidence from a source where there is an allegation of a crime being committed. In this case speeding, careless or dangerous driving.
Not sure of process in England but in Scotland police would ask procurator fiscal to obtain a search warrant (signed by sheriff or perhaps a JP) to enable them to recover this or other potential evidence.
No different to obtaining warrants to seize phones or laptops etc where there is an allegation of sex abuse.
If car is in their custody whilst the request is made you may be hard pushed to remove the bits you don't want them to see. ;-)

Then we're back up to manning up and admitting it aren't we?

C

 

[drewf]

Then we're back up to manning up and admitting it aren't we?

C

Exactly - relating to the incident in question.

 

[Wack61]

Thanks Darren. I am very scared to try but will give it a go!

all you're doing is hiding the wire that came with it so there shouldn't be any electrical issues

 

[Scaf]

Years ago the father of my daughters friend was nicked on the local bypass after a minor collision at a roundabout, the police who attended due to a dispute in blame notic d he had a camera mounted on this bike and seized the footage.
He went to jail for three weeks and became notorious for the highest speeding offence (at the time) Google Dan (Daniel Nicks) convicted othe footage of his camera.

Personally I think the risks of having a camera used against you are minute compared to the benefit of being an
e to prove some other muppet was to blame.

 

[Jkulin]

Police are entitled to obtain evidence from a source where there is an allegation of a crime being committed. In this case speeding, careless or dangerous driving.
Not sure of process in England but in Scotland police would ask procurator fiscal to obtain a search warrant (signed by sheriff or perhaps a JP) to enable them to recover this or other potential evidence.
No different to obtaining warrants to seize phones or laptops etc where there is an allegation of sex abuse.
If car is in their custody whilst the request is made you may be hard pushed to remove the bits you don't want them to see. ;-)

Yes in England the similar applies, there has been untold cases where Bikers have worn head cams and been convicted on the speeds shown on their speedo and IIRC a motorcyclist went to jail for doing 140mph because he recorded it on his helmet cam.

 

[Jkulin]

Years ago the father of my daughters friend was nicked on the local bypass after a minor collision at a roundabout, the police who attended due to a dispute in blame notic d he had a camera mounted on this bike and seized the footage.
He went to jail for three weeks and became notorious for the highest speeding offence (at the time) Google Dan (Daniel Nicks) convicted othe footage of his camera.

Personally I think the risks of having a camera used against you are minute compared to the benefit of being an
e to prove some other muppet was to blame.

Sorry Sam just seen your post, I think that was the lad I was referring to.

 

[drewf]

Yes in England the similar applies, there has been untold cases where Bikers have worn head cams and been convicted on the speeds shown on their speedo and IIRC a motorcyclist went to jail for doing 140mph because he recorded it on his helmet cam.

The moral of this surely being don't be a dick and drive at 140 on public roads - get on a race track. Dashcam recordings not an issue then.

 

[MrPea]

Around here, if your driving causes an accident and you have a camera, you can just claim the disk was corrupted and you get away scot free...

One of the coaches from Oxford overtook me as I was cycling in the cycle lane, and then cut in right to the curb as I was still alongside the coach and forced me to launch myself across the pavement to avoid being crushed. The driver drove off so I chased him down to the next bus stop. He refused to give me his name or show insurance details as that's company policy in an accident. I reported this to the police so they went and asked the local bus company to review the cctv footage from the coach (they have a camera that would have caught it all). The bus company then waited for days before checking anything and then told the police that the disc was corrupted on that coach that day. Conveniently this meant there was no case.

 

[Jkulin]

The moral of this surely being don't be a dick and drive at 140 on public roads - get on a race track. Dashcam recordings not an issue then.

I agree Drew, but in the event that you have an accident and are even marginally over the speed limit then if unable to "Corrupt" the recording you have signed your own guilt charge and whether your fault or not the case will be weighted against you.

And before anyone says it, we all drive Maseratis and I have never known anyone stick to the speed limit that I have followed, but I am not saying that I have gone over the limit to keep up

 

[Scaf]

Sorry Sam just seen your post, I think that was the lad I was referring to.

Lol similar case but not the same - Dan was a crazy 176 mph

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7010843.stm

And as someone has already said, the moral of the story is don't drive like a loony or if you do, don't film it !

 

[Sommi]

This weekend I finally managed to get the dashcam fitted at Autofficina. It took one of their OCD induced electricians an hour to put it properly and hardwire it.
I bought a hardwiring kit which made the job neater and quicker.
I would not have been able to do it myself, that's for sure.
The steering column needed dismantling to find an earthing point!
Also anyone planning to use Halfords fitting service, please don't. They took a week to come back and after much meetings among themselves said they wouldn't touch any Maserati!