E Gear and F1 all the same with some slight differences?

CraigWaterman11

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Maybe for some leisure reading for you guys I decided to post this in the UK as well. About a week ago I was called down to the South Shore in my area to work on and check out an F360 Spyder and the day after Lamborgini Gallardo.

Initially I met one Lambo guy when I was scanning the F360. He wanted to know whether I had a scan tool to access them and if I worked on them. I had to tell him I did not but I would check on the software to see what it would cost.

The next thing I noticed was that I had more access to the F360 Spyder then I did on my Spyder. Both of them were 02's, but for the Ferrari I shut the air bag light off, I accessed every sensor on the softtop (Capote settings). I was quite beside myself and even a bit jealous (maybe it's 360/430 time after the GS?). He just needed an F1 pump replaced but I was checking to see what his solenoid leakage rates were and was again pretty messed up that I had more access to his Ferrari than my Maseratis.

Either way, so that session went pretty good. He had a Gran Turismo there as well that needed to be scanned. His airbag light was on. Once again, nada. It stated I had communication but when I pulled up the individual sensors they all read no data. Ironically, that's one thing Auto Enginuity sold me on was that they had all the access to the newer cars for Maserati but limited to the older.

Okay so the very last thing was the Gallardo. I was asked if I could put a pump in the car. I didn't have any experience with the Lambo but I did know they share the same style pump.

It seemed like when I got there though, the pump sounded healthy. It wasn't blowing fuses, and the system was showing issues even as the pump cycled. Long and short of it was I definitely did not believe it was a pump issue. If there was a loss in pressure it was coming from somewhere else other than the pump shutting down or getting weak.

However, the gentleman convinced me two different Lambo Techs told him it was a pump issue. So having the limited knowledge I did I acquiesced to what they told him. I don't usually do it because I know that in this higher end field there is a lot of parts changing to find the issue.

I am glad I got the experience. I did change the pump out and learned really quick by the way, the egear system and the F1 system are almost identical. The pump, solenoid block, and even the actuator are the same, all made by the same company. Their operations are definitely identical.

So long and short I installed the pump put the car back together and...........wait for it..............wait for it.............no it didn't fix it. It did the exact thing it was doing before. It wasn't a pump issue. So anyway, I didn't have the software to scan or see leakage rates or anything. I wasn't happy about that considering I knew these systems well if I could read the data. I only charged the gentleman parts because I didn't fix the issue and I wasn't going to charge someone for something they didn't need. So he got a brand new E gear pump installed. I got a pat on the back and experience.

BTW.....I went to the gentleman's detail shop where his Lambo was at to change the pump out. LOL....I was bringing all the tools from the back of my Dually out from my tool box. He must of thought "this guy didn't come here to play too much". I use a bunch of Lithium battery tools by Milwaukee. They are faster and less cumbersome than my air tools so.........anyway thought you guys would enjoy that.


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CraigWaterman11

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Yep - all made by Magneti Marelli. Fitted to some Aston Martins too....

Hey brother, how ya been?! One day I hope to come over and see all of ya! Don't know when but it would be nice. So is Leonardo the only aftermarket alternative to Lambos diagnostic scanner or are there others. BTW A/E pretty much is non-existent when it comes to answering questions about their software now, or getting their software like it should be. I mean't to do a follow up on them. They were great for the first couple of months, now they don't even respond to emails or phone calls. I guess it's good I somewhat know what I am doing. Somebody else would be stuck.
 

jluis

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God, that Lambo has 2 sh1tty magnetti marellis throttle bodies.
And I tought 1 in the 3200 was already bad!
 

voicey

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I'm good thanks mate. Yes - leonardo for Lambo (big $$$). I've got some feelers out for some genuine Lambo kit but I'm not holding my breath....
 

jluis

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ROFL........ha ha ha.....that's hilarious yep Italian cars they love putting that name brand on all of it.

Funny you mention that.
The more modern and reliable they get, the more Bosch hardware you find in there.
The ECU changed to Bosch after the 4200 and the MM throttle bodies seem to have disappeared for good.
 

CraigWaterman11

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Funny you mention that.
The more modern and reliable they get, the more Bosch hardware you find in there.
The ECU changed to Bosch after the 4200 and the MM throttle bodies seem to have disappeared for good.

Actually, if my memory serves me correct the Bosch ECU was in my 02' Spyder but the TCU was your favorite company. That followed all the way through for many years, Quats Duo-select as well. It's crazy you want the Italian body style but the German durability/dependability.
 

jluis

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Actually, if my memory serves me correct the Bosch ECU was in my 02' Spyder but the TCU was your favorite company. That followed all the way through for many years, Quats Duo-select as well. It's crazy you want the Italian body style but the German durability/dependability.

Just the electronics Craig, just the electronics :)
The TCU will always be MM because they developed the complete system and I don't think there are many competitors out there for this kind of gearboxes.