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CatmanV2

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DLax69 said:
...though the non-sensical fears/whatever around nuclear don't make a ton of sense. To me, anyway.
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They don't make any actual sense, but humans are not logical creatures.
I can quote some stuff about 9/11 that is really quite bizarre, but try to guess how many people died as a result of the radiation leaked from Fukashima?

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CatmanV2 said:
They don't make any actual sense, but humans are not logical creatures.
I can quote some stuff about 9/11 that is really quite bizarre, but try to guess how many people died as a result of the radiation leaked from Fukashima?

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Surely radiation is a slow killer - depending on the type and amount of exposure
 
CatmanV2

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FIFTY said:
Surely radiation is a slow killer - depending on the type and amount of exposure
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It is, however it is expected (from pretty clear ways of predicting) the answer will be nil. That is, effectively, there will be no difference in death rates from things like cancer between the population that was exposed / evacuated and the general population.

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CatmanV2 said:
It is, however it is expected (from pretty clear ways of predicting) the answer will be nil. That is, effectively, there will be no difference in death rates from things like cancer between the population that was exposed / evacuated and the general population.

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I am not against nuclear - accidents can and have happened where lessons have been learned.

I do wonder the reality of the situation in Japan, did you watch "the dark tourist" on Netflix where the guy went on a tour of Fukushima? The program got sued by the Japanese authorities for trying to make out the situation is worse than the reality...

I watched this interesting video by The B1M regarding nuclear power, he delves into the challenges of constructing a power station in the modern era with all of the current legislation and regulations

 
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FIFTY said:
I am not against nuclear - accidents can and have happened where lessons have been learned.
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No indeed. However, Fukashima is often portrayed as a nuclear disaster. What it was more realistically, was a natural disaster which demonstrated that the plant was significantly over designed (it was a far greater tsunami than the original design specs required). Lots of people very sadly, lost their lives and we should not lose sight of that.

There's another stat. floating around that I can't be bothered to dig out but basically more people are killed mining coal every month (or similar) than have ever died as a result of an accident in the nuclear power industry. Even when you factor it in death per kwH generated. (1)

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(1) Please don't take this as gospel. The stat is something like that. Not exactly that.

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CatmanV2 said:
No indeed. However, Fukashima is often portrayed as a nuclear disaster. What it was more realistically, was a natural disaster which demonstrated that the plant was significantly over designed (it was a far greater tsunami than the original design specs required). Lots of people very sadly, lost their lives and we should not lose sight of that.

There's another stat. floating around that I can't be bothered to dig out but basically more people are killed mining coal every month (or similar) than have ever died as a result of an accident in the nuclear power industry. Even when you factor it in death per kwH generated. (1)

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(1) Please don't take this as gospel. The stat is something like that. Not exactly that.

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Gotta believe black lung, accidents, etc have contributed to more deaths than anything related to a reactor. If we want real energy independence...any of us...it's got to be a viable offering on the menu.
 
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DLax69 said:
Gotta believe black lung, accidents, etc have contributed to more deaths than anything related to a reactor. If we want real energy independence...any of us...it's got to be a viable offering on the menu.
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You still have to mine the fuel for a nuclear reactor. There are some major environmental issues with the construction, fuelling, maintenance and decommissioning of nuclear power plants that are often overlooked whilst everyone is running around worrying about whether it’s going to explode or they’re going to grow another breast!
 
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Oneball said:
You still have to mine the fuel for a nuclear reactor. There are some major environmental issues with the construction, fuelling, maintenance and decommissioning of nuclear power plants that are often overlooked whilst everyone is running around worrying about whether it’s going to explode or they’re going to grow another breast!
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Good points!

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Oneball said:
You still have to mine the fuel for a nuclear reactor. There are some major environmental issues with the construction, fuelling, maintenance and decommissioning of nuclear power plants that are often overlooked whilst everyone is running around worrying about whether it’s going to explode or they’re going to grow another breast!
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Ha! No doubt. But my third arm is rather helpful at shearing time!

Yes, not at all trying to minimize any of that. Just saying that there should be a spot for nuclear among all of the ways we generate electricity...

I was the General Manager of the oldest renewable company in our state. Was flown to Kyoto for the opening of Kyocera's HQ. All in on those options. But don't see the grounds for excluding reactors, that's all.
 
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If I may interject. The equivalent CO2 per kWh (or CO2e/GWH ) of nuclear is far, far, FAR lower than Coal or gas. Wind isn't far behind and this takes into consideration the through-life of a power plant.

Boring source:https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/ipcc_wg3_ar5_annex-iii.pdf#page=7

In short source: https://gridwatch.co.uk/co2-emissions and scroll to the bottom.

As for so little nuclear, I bet you didn't know that Hinckley point B was turned OFF in the summer...1.2GW of capacity lost whilst we pay through the nose for Gas.

Nuclear should be the backbone of our Electrical power generation, wind tends to blow during the autumn,winter and spring, solar in summer. Something has to take up the slack and gas, at the moment, is the easy option.
 
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CatmanV2 said:
No indeed. However, Fukashima is often portrayed as a nuclear disaster. What it was more realistically, was a natural disaster which demonstrated that the plant was significantly over designed (it was a far greater tsunami than the original design specs required). Lots of people very sadly, lost their lives and we should not lose sight of that.

There's another stat. floating around that I can't be bothered to dig out but basically more people are killed mining coal every month (or similar) than have ever died as a result of an accident in the nuclear power industry. Even when you factor it in death per kwH generated. (1)

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(1) Please don't take this as gospel. The stat is something like that. Not exactly that.

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It’s all here
www.energyforhumanity.org

Nuclear and safety: the surprising truth - Energy For Humanity

Experts say nuclear power is one of our safest sources of energy and has saved millions of lives.
www.energyforhumanity.org
 
GeoffCapes

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I'd love to know what the 'Other ' in Other Energy.

What this data does tell us is that we need more wind, and solar, and Nuclear as our back up. Then we will be self sufficient, and not have to worry about imports, and wouldn't be at the mercy of European buying.

Not really rocket science is it?
 
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Lots of comparisons/analyses to be drawn from studying these reports.

One of the most obvious is the generation cost is 10.8 p per Kwh, EDF are charging me 49.8p per Kwh !
 
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Canova said:
Lots of comparisons/analyses to be drawn from studying these reports.

One of the most obvious is the generation cost is 10.8 p per Kwh, EDF are charging me 49.8p per Kwh !
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That's at the moment, I have seen it as high as £35/MWh and then you have overheads of transport etc...
 
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That is true, but distribution etc is pretty much fixed and was incorporated in the price when it was ~14p per Kwh. Unfortunately it looks as though all energy irrespective of origin is being priced in line with the gas spot price, and ignores any long term fiixed price contracts.
 
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