Gransport Set Up

Wack61

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Back in the 90's when Carl Fogarty ruled World Superbikes, after the Dutch round me and few lads met up with some of the races in a pub and I got talking to Simon Crafar, who rode for Kawasaki. We talked all for a good hour about suspension set up, steering rake, rebound, compression, preload, oil viscosity, the lot. A few of the guys were listening in a chipping in with their issues on their bikes, and Simon, Jamie Whitham even Carl chipped in. The beer was flowing and we felt thoroughly educated.
We got back to the camp site, had a few more beers before hitting the hay.
The next morning over breakfast, we discussed the night before but could any of us remember what the racers taught us? Sadly not one bit!...but we did have sore heads from a good time and just a 150 miles to ride home to Gutersloh, in Germany.

The mechanic I use was Carl Foggartys race mechanic in the 80s before he made it big, when he got his first factory ride Steve got left behind because he hadn't been to college even though his contribution gave Carl a bike he could win on.

Is there a number for the bearings mentioned above mine tramlines quite badly , the tyres are on about 2mm though, as soon as it comes back from the body shop I'm changing those for PS4s but if that doesn't improve things geometry will be next

The tyre shop has a bluetooth system that cost about 10k and does 4w tracking

Would that be suitable, he charges £75 ,it made a noticeable difference to the impreza

Or if not is anywhere in the north west recommended
 

porsche girl

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Just spoke to Rob at Grimaldi. He was not certain that the tie rods were to blame. Never the less I would be happy to replace them if someone can tell me where to get them ? Grimaldi are flat out for the next 3 weeks so I'm going to have to wait a bit...


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The mechanic I use was Carl Foggartys race mechanic in the 80s before he made it big, when he got his first factory ride Steve got left behind because he hadn't been to college even though his contribution gave Carl a bike he could win on.

Is there a number for the bearings mentioned above mine tramlines quite badly , the tyres are on about 2mm though, as soon as it comes back from the body shop I'm changing those for PS4s but if that doesn't improve things geometry will be next

The tyre shop has a bluetooth system that cost about 10k and does 4w tracking

Would that be suitable, he charges £75 ,it made a noticeable difference to the impreza

Or if not is anywhere in the north west recommended

Get the geo done as soon as you have had the new tyres fitted. You'll almost certainly see uneven and premature wear if you don't.
 

CatmanV2

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Just spoke to Rob at Grimaldi. He was not certain that the tie rods were to blame. Never the less I would be happy to replace them if someone can tell me where to get them ? Grimaldi are flat out for the next 3 weeks so I'm going to have to wait a bit...


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You're not wrong! So is the paint shop. It might be another *month* before I get my car back :(

Seriously, about the tie-rods. They were created by Craig, a member and highly skilled chap in Boston, MA. For business I tend to get over there every couple of months, so have bought some back for members. I know Matt has the latest set. Drew F used to have some . If you want me to talk to him, let me know

C
 

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@Porsche girl I did send you a PM last night. Sorry I haven't responded lately, Spring time in Boston I'm getting backed up with PPIs. I have another one tomorrow for a guy who wants to send the car all the way out to California.

Maybe we should revisit the tie rod issue, and hopefully not hijack the thread. I just want to do an overview because the thread that was created on this a while back had tons of data that us Techies would be interested in. First, yes absolutely you can put the SKF plain spherical bearing back in the car. You will still need to purchase the bearing, and get a shop to remove and then replace it in the carcass of the old tie rod set up. Personally, and this is just me, I have no qualms with someone using the OEM set up. I just think it was a terrible design to begin with. The ones on my Spyder failed at less than 20k miles. But that doesn't mean, you shouldn't use a spherical bearing in the car just because I think so. I've been known to get a bit crazy behind the wheel of a car, but only if I'm not scared too death to go around in a circle because something failed when it wasn't suppose to.

We could get into dynamic loads, and static loads, hopefully unnecessary. The dynamic loads of the upgraded tie rods are beyond OEM. But here's the crux of the matter. I don't want this to be a sales pitch. I care about vehicles and how they perform. Not really interested in selling anything. I want you to really see and know what I do about the issue but that's difficult because it took a lot of R&D to do so. Formula Dynamics now sells the rear tie rods for me because they were impressed with what went into them and tons of people in the U.S. also wanted a better alternative than purchasing the entire control arm at the time. I spoke to Jeff a week ago who will be updating the website shortly he's been selling out of the ones before he listed them.

To make it easier on people I also have gone over to a high hat reducer instead of a pressed in one. What this will do, is should the Rose joints I use advance in technology, you will be able to take and put that in your car. I use Ultra racing joints, with the pressed in reducer it could only be changed if you pressed in a new reducer. Now you no longer have to worry about it. If a new state of the art rose joint comes out, you already have the sleeve you need in order to bolt it right into the new type rose joint, swap the reducers and you're good to go.

The tie rod sleeve itself, should anyone be concerned about strength/durability, actually comes from the front of a one ton truck. So if you get your little 3200/4200/GS to produce more dynamic work load than that, you will have me forever impressed.

Unfortunately, I sent Matt my last set (with the Ball joint dust covers which I recommend doing if you are taking the rear suspension apart) through Chris and I'm waiting on a new order of reducers. Chris has been a mule for this forum. I enjoy his company over in Boston when he comes. Every-time I try to pay for a meal he won't let me. So I'm hoping you guys take care of him. I know he hasn't said anything but, he really doesn't have to do it. I charge $200 for the complete kit but shipping to you guys is like $50. I adjust the customs forms but with Chris it take that out of the way.
 

porsche girl

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Thanks everyone for you super help. I'm going to base-line the car at Grimaldi and see where that gets me. What's the feeling on stiffer wishbone bushes ? What are the FD bars like with the stock springs ?


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m1980k

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Thanks everyone for you super help. I'm going to base-line the car at Grimaldi and see where that gets me. What's the feeling on stiffer wishbone bushes ? What are the FD bars like with the stock springs ?


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If you go to the FD website there's a testimonials section with links to forum posts from people who've fitted certain products to different models. I think most people with the rolls bars already have the springs though.
 

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The mechanic I use was Carl Foggartys race mechanic in the 80s before he made it big, when he got his first factory ride Steve got left behind because he hadn't been to college even though his contribution gave Carl a bike he could win on.

Is there a number for the bearings mentioned above mine tramlines quite badly , the tyres are on about 2mm though, as soon as it comes back from the body shop I'm changing those for PS4s but if that doesn't improve things geometry will be next

The tyre shop has a bluetooth system that cost about 10k and does 4w tracking

Would that be suitable, he charges £75 ,it made a noticeable difference to the impreza

Or if not is anywhere in the north west recommended

I would give http://phoenixmotorsports.co.uk/ a call.
Ollie set up my Lotus Elise very nicely and it would be interesting if they can set up our Maserati's.

Thanks everyone for you super help. I'm going to base-line the car at Grimaldi and see where that gets me. What's the feeling on stiffer wishbone bushes ? What are the FD bars like with the stock springs ?


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Both FD springs and their bars are extremely rare to see in the UK, due mainly to cost+shipping+duty so MaseratiLife is the place for opinion, and then most fit the springs and follow with the bars afterwards.
 

porsche girl

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Ah ok. You see I reckon that the spring rate feels ok for the road. It's the roll stiffness which is out.


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alfatwo

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Thanks everyone for you super help. I'm going to base-line the car at Grimaldi and see where that gets me. What's the feeling on stiffer wishbone bushes ? What are the FD bars like with the stock springs ?


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I had my old 3200GT geo set up at Grimalidi's a couple of years ago,it was a mix of road and race spec settings and works well

Craig's rear link setup with the aftermarket rose joints is a great idea but I'm not sure if it's road legal over here, you know what insurance companies are like nowadays...no EU certification

Dave
 

MAF260

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I would give http://phoenixmotorsports.co.uk/ a call.
Ollie set up my Lotus Elise very nicely and it would be interesting if they can set up our Maserati's.



Both FD springs and their bars are extremely rare to see in the UK, due mainly to cost+shipping+duty so MaseratiLife is the place for opinion, and then most fit the springs and follow with the bars afterwards.

I'm going to Vegas in 3 weeks and have extra baggage allowance. I wonder if the anti roll bars and springs will fit in my 2nd case?!
 

GeoffCapes

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I'm going to Vegas in 3 weeks and have extra baggage allowance. I wonder if the anti roll bars and springs will fit in my 2nd case?!

If you take a golf club case you should be able to get the arb's in.
Otherwise you might struggle.
 

m1980k

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If anyone has space in the golf bag let me know. Otherwise I'll be getting a set of springs and bars shipped over next month. And if anyone else is thinking of buying, let me know as we might be able to get a discount.
 

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Craig's rear link setup with the aftermarket rose joints is a great idea but I'm not sure if it's road legal over here, you know what insurance companies are like nowadays...no EU certification

Dave

Dave I feel like we covered this in the thread about a year or two ago. But if someone could kindly direct me to the EU Cert laws for suspension parts, and MOT I would greatly appreciate it. I'm not looking for interpretations just the laws. I'm usually on the forum giving Tech advice but I actually have a paralegal degree as well, has proved useful in business as well as small claims cases.

Since I have the part numbers to all the parts I provide, and they are actually sold separately across the pond already just curious to see if the EU Certs or MOT is anymore strenuous then Fed. Regs, and State Inspections in the U.S. I've checked and obviously Rose Joints are sold there for various suspension set ups, including used in racing. I think I outlined the history of this technology, we call it Heim, you guys call it Rose. We basically stole the technology from a German war plane. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_end_bearing Both countries have been using the technology since we reverse engineered it in applications including Aviation (only fitting since that's where we found it).

I don't see there being an issue there but, hey Dave is right I don't live there. Second to this is the tie rod sleeve I use. It's also sold in the UK not obviously as a rear tie rod for the Maserati, but since you guys have the one ton vehicle there it is sold as a replacement part. Again, doesn't mean that it's legal but since this is the second time it was brought up, I'd rather put it to rest. If it's not legal, I'd rather not sell them at all across the pond. If it is I would rather put the argument to rest. Seems like the best way for me to personally do that, unfortunately, is to read it myself. A link would be greatly appreciated, and maybe we can start a new thread with the findings.