GTS MC Shift for sale

Andyk

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Anything with a horse, a bull or a McLaren logo on the front will surely attract a boatload more attention than a trident or an Aston’s wings. What views from the floor on the trials and tribulations of being massively noticed?

Personally the only thing I care about us if I love the car and don't give two hoots if others like it or if it gets more attention than another.............I would take wings over the horse anyway.......but then you know that already Adam..............But ideally a garage with a McLaren, a badge with a bull on it and the Aston wings would be nice....oh a one with a Porsche shield as well bearing the monicker GT3 RS.....so I don't ask for much do I ?
 

iainw

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One of the reasons I didn't buy a DB7 was I'm not sure how I'd feel about have an Aston Martin on the drive, but if you're going to be noticed a Bull for me.

I don't actually think McLarens attract that much attention, but that may be just me


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I think you are right about the Maclaren C. It's relatively understated compared to a 458 or Huracan in muted colours with the doors closed. I think it could be quite stealth or Understated, only truly appreciated by engineers/ petrol heads.
Personally I don't like loud colours sodefntjely not every look at me brigade.
Agree with Ewan re: 599 being a grown up car.. maybe I am not grown up ‘quite yet!'
 

Andyk

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Agree with Ewan re: 599 being a grown up car.. maybe I am not grown up ‘quite yet!’

Me neither then Iain....I've never really liked the looks of the 599.......so I'll let you know once I've grown up.....
 
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In the context of whether to buy a McLaren or a 458, I wouldn't buy either. Would prefer to buy a GT3 or GT2 but you're right, I'm likely never to buy another Turbo.

In stand alone context, I wouldn't have any of these choices and personally lean towards the 599, FF or if I was brave enough, a manual Murcielago.

It's not an air cooled vs. water cooled thing for me, by the way. It's a passion and feeling thing. Although the air cooled cars sound better.

I'm sure you're very pleased with your 996tt, I fully understand that, it's certainly an experience to drive one in anger. It's also OK if someone else thinks they're soulless. We are all different.

Having said all of this, I prefer my Stradale and am very happy with it. I'm not likely to change it anytime soon and I would absolutely love it if Maserati would get off their hands and build something that I could replace it with. Until then, it's sticking around.

That's a more considered response, thank you. I think you likely had Porsches several years ago - and things have moved on in that circle considerably during the 5 years I have been in it (now into my 6th year with the Turbo and it really is a beauty with the X50 manual box and only 36k miles). Air Cooled Porsches attract their own brotherhood - they are referred as the socks with sandals and beards brigade - spotted often by the pipe smoking trait and the outfits suggestive of them being in The Knights Templar - jokingly in the fraternity. The good clean manual box 996 Turbo and of course the GT3 and GT2 prices are crazy. The air cooled cars are silly money - but old technology and the old low production hand assembled volumes - akin to the GS in some way. Air Cooled cars are sticking - there is a feeling that prices are over-valued and people are waiting for the market correction to happen as many are rot boxes requiring £30-£40k spending to fix the corrosion! Of course the 996 Turbo is hewn from the crankcases of the 993 and the gearbox.

If you ever feel like a dip into nostalgia you can always try www.911uk.com for the latest opinions on what happening on those halcion carriages of yours.

The GT Stradale is a nice car - I'd consider one with MC Shift but there is another voice in my head pulling me to a GTS. I dont know, I get a feeling (probably inaccurately as I don't own one) that its like a GT3 - guys aspire to it and then after a few months the novelty wears off, their fillings have been shaken out, getting in/out of a desirable Club Sport breaks the back and then the service bills and all the advisories tempts people to swap it for something bit more civilised such as a Turbo or a GTS.

The GT was what I set out to buy but after taking advice, I think I made the best decision with my budget to go the GS route. I talk to Marios about the GT and am learning with each conversation about that model and always leave his premises knowing that I have a really sound car for my budget and that I made a god choice. But if I decide to chop the GS in for a GT, it will be after counsel from learned people.

Personally the 599 doesn't do anything for me, but the 430 and 458 does. Lambos and McLaren are stratospheric prices so I dont even dream or research them, but meet their owners at various supercar meets and exchange thoughts with their owners. McLaren showroom is nearby in KNutsford so around this area and Alderley Edge/Prestwich/Wilmslow there are no end to supercars adorning our roads. I'm also not impressed by Aston Martin - a few Porsche guys I know have had them and listening to their stories (biased possibly as they may have bought bad examples) so I am cautious about that marque - except stratospheric models such as the DB5.

When I come to sell, the GS will be sold to/through a Maserati specialist and the Porsche will be sold to/through a Porsche specilaist as those respective specialists have the reach to the right audience and the knowledge and the virtues of the models concerned to market each properly.

It is indeed a good thing that it takes all kinds to make a world and that we are not all the same. Nobody mentioned the GT-R? That's a surprise......
 

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Well, you are all touchiing a nerve here. I am between a 458, 570 spyder newish (by then) and a 650s. Winter (here) 2018 is the date. I have driven all and they are all amazing. The 650s was really mind-blowing. More hyper than supercar. But is 30K more (using GBP as a comparator here) that the 458. Saw a nice white 458 spyder with red interior, all red. A bit hair-dresser?!

But the sound of the stradale, pulling out of a tunnel or underpass, or in a canyon, full chat.... how to survive without that?
 

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Well, you are all touchiing a nerve here. I am between a 458, 570 spyder newish (by then) and a 650s. Winter (here) 2018 is the date. I have driven all and they are all amazing. The 650s was really mind-blowing. More hyper than supercar. But is 30K more (using GBP as a comparator here) that the 458. Saw a nice white 458 spyder with red interior, all red. A bit hair-dresser?!

But the sound of the stradale, pulling out of a tunnel or underpass, or in a canyon, full chat.... how to survive without that?

A 10,000 Mile 650s spider is 40,000 less than a new 570s spider I am looking it..
The 650s is older tech inside. I like the cockpit and looks of the 570. Do you recommend the 650s?
 

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But the sound of the stradale, pulling out of a tunnel or underpass, or in a canyon, full chat.... how to survive without that?

That is what is stopping me from getting all "man maths" on a Cali or whatever else!!!! For me sound is more important than looks and drive! Sad I know but it adds so much to the driving experience.
 

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That is what is stopping me from getting all "man maths" on a Cali or whatever else!!!! For me sound is more important than looks and drive! Sad I know but it adds so much to the driving experience.

Agreed. Sound is so much of the experience that I can't help but think that many far quicker cars would disappoint on that front.
 
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The 599 was not on my radar, but on the way back from Le Mans 2 years ago I passed a beaten up, well thumbed black 599. That was the light bulb moment. In the flesh, so much better than the photos and those buttresses are to die for. It can seem a little heavy in side on view, bit the front, front 3/4 and rear 3/4 views really work for me.

As for noise, it is different. The GT MC Shift I had, standard exhaust definitely had more to it than the 599 at tick over to around 5,000 rpm. Deeper, bassier, more strident. I have to say the noise of the 599's V12 above 6,000 rpm is absolutely spine tingling - everything seems to come together from a mechanical noise perspective.

In terms of attention, the darker colours seem to hide the 599 better and I have to say I have had nothing but nice words from people. I an not sure what the reaction would be to a red one.

But ultimately, we need Maserati to get the pickle out of their a***. Build a 4 seat car about 4.6m in length and 1.92m in width, stick a 550-600bhp V8 upfront (with a hybrid option in its future model life), wrap it in a body like the current GT and get it to weigh 1650KG and be as pointy as a Gransport. Stick it on the forecourt between the 911 and Aston Martin Vantage in price. I would suggest the Alfa Giorgio platform as a starter for 10. Now that would get my cash.

The beauty of this debate is none of us has the right answer and none of us are too parochial not to think there are other cars we would want to experience.
 

Andyk

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A 10,000 Mile 650s spider is 40,000 less than a new 570s spider I am looking it..
The 650s is older tech inside. I like the cockpit and looks of the 570. Do you recommend the 650s?

Some prefer the very minimalistic interior of the 12c and the 650 Iain....I've always like it as its uncluttered unlike the fisher price offering of Ferrari at the time. 650s was the car the 12C should have been apparently.
 

Andyk

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Yoghurt; said:
But ultimately, we need Maserati to get the pickle out of their a***. Build a 4 seat car about 4.6m in length and 1.92m in width, stick a 550-600bhp V8 upfront (with a hybrid option in its future model life), wrap it in a body like the current GT and get it to weigh 1650KG and be as pointy as a Gransport. Stick it on the forecourt between the 911 and Aston Martin Vantage in price. I would suggest the Alfa Giorgio platform as a starter for 10. Now that would get my cash.

Now your talking my friend....Hope someone from Maserati are listening.
 

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The 599 was not on my radar, but on the way back from Le Mans 2 years ago I passed a beaten up, well thumbed black 599. That was the light bulb moment. In the flesh, so much better than the photos and those buttresses are to die for. It can seem a little heavy in side on view, bit the front, front 3/4 and rear 3/4 views really work for me.

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But ultimately, we need Maserati to get the pickle out of their a***. Build a 4 seat car about 4.6m in length and 1.92m in width, stick a 550-600bhp V8 upfront (with a hybrid option in its future model life), wrap it in a body like the current GT and get it to weigh 1650KG and be as pointy as a Gransport. Stick it on the forecourt between the 911 and Aston Martin Vantage in price. I would suggest the Alfa Giorgio platform as a starter for 10. Now that would get my cash.

You remember the blue one we saw last year. Just gorgeous!

What you describe... I think Aston kind of nailed it with the Vanquish S. If you haven't heard one, do. Just ball-tingingly fantastic. Though the back-seats are pointlessly shite. Oh, and the price is a bit bats.
 

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Damo does speak a lot of sense....
As for a lot of the protagonists on this thread - they don't seem to be able to make their minds up, which is at odds with what they do in their professional lives....
Haha - I just cant make decisions full stop..

Dave
 

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FFS, Dave, I just fell over when I read that. Things you never expect to read, eh?

I think that he only goes "Wibble" on social occasions, then its usually full tilt "wibble"

I seem to remember that somewhere at the start of these 8 pages you had a car for sale...
 

azapa

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A 10,000 Mile 650s spider is 40,000 less than a new 570s spider I am looking it..
The 650s is older tech inside. I like the cockpit and looks of the 570. Do you recommend the 650s?

Yes Iain. The 650s is almost a totaly different drive. Not so much when tootling, but when the accelerator is pressed firm. These things have 700 real world hp on tap.

The 570 spyder is lovely, I wouldn't be getting a new one, I prefer someone else to take the first depreciation hit. In our local market many people jump in to these car way over leveraged, and have to sell up soon when they are about to loose their house...

Here, in GBP aprox: 458 Spyder with 10K miles: 130K. 650s with 6k miles: 160K. New 570 spyder: about 190k - used in 6 months 145k (my guess)

You really should drive the 650s and stuff it into some corners before deciding. Oh, and the cockpit is a work of art. Impossble to call it low tech!

They all sound pants compared to the strad. Especialy the maclarens.
 

Felonious Crud

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I seem to remember that somewhere at the start of these 8 pages you had a car for sale...

I have?? Well, I’d better seek some opinions on what would be a suitable replacement for it. I wonder if anyone round here has any ideas?