Looking at 4200 6 Speed manual - What to look out for

[alfatwo]

Hence why the old school manual 6 speeder German Getrag was fitted to the classic 3200GT.. was one of the best available at the time..

And still are, they were superbly engineered.... Not like the later 156 Alfa Selespeed derived Maserati CC systems !

Dave

 

[hladun]

If there is a reason that the shifting is heavier on a 4200 it's because your trying to synchronize 4 feet of drive shaft along with the clutch discs and transmission gears. Also the linkage has to be properly set or you get hard shifting in 2nd gear.

 

[mjheathcote]

If there is a reason that the shifting is heavier on a 4200 it's because your trying to synchronize 4 feet of drive shaft along with the clutch discs and transmission gears. Also the linkage has to be properly set or you get hard shifting in 2nd gear.

So thats one reason why you can't compare the Ferrari manual to to the Maserati manual!!

I would like to know how one would compare the Ferrari CC to Maserati CC of the same year...

 

[AndyG]

I had a 54 plate manual 4200 before my QP, spent a lot of time setting the cable up to get the best 1-2 change I could, even so I couldn't live with it as I found , to get first gear I had to lean forward out of my seat, I'm 5'10' so not that tall, how taller people get on I've no idea !


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[zagatoes30]

But just to contradict myself one more time, I'm strangely drawn to the dark green, manual (help!) 4200 Spyder (help, again!) for sale at Hamilton Grays in Loughborough. At the risk of drifting the thread, does anyone on here know this car?

I know nothing about this Spyder and personally not a green car fan but it does look nice and the good value IMO.

 

[bigbob]

I'm amazed this has led to so much discussion.

I owned a 2005 manual 4200 from 25000 miles to 50000 miles, never bought a clutch and never had the gears adjusted so far as I know - MP Supercars looked after it. I loved the car and would thoroughly recommend one.

This forum does has a tendency to support the norm in Maserati speak which means that the CC/MC box is hugely favoured. I'm fine with other people having different preferences but I've also been on the wrong end of this with two of my three Maseratis' so understand how people can keep quiet about saying anything which is outwith this norm.

 

[Contigo]

Anyone who shuns a manual box is clearly not right in the head. Look at the likes of the new M3 and Porsche who actually reintroduced manual boxes into their flagship models because customers actually wanted them. Proper petrolheads will want the involvement of driving with both feet, you can control the car much better at times by dipping the clutch, you can also pully away much faster by red lining the car and dumping the clutch so as much as I love the CC and DS boxes you just do not have the same kind of control which a manual clutch offers you and that is a FACT.

You look at the cars which are selling for big money now and in the future and they will all have one thing in common, they will ALL be manual transmission cars.

 

[Ewan]

I don't think anyone is against manual gearboxes per se Phil, it's just that some are better than others. The manual box on the 355 is an absolute joy and streets ahead of the F1 equivalent on that particular car. I just never thought that the gearbox on the 4200 was particularly good or satisfying, whether in manual or CC form.

My business partner has a 550 Maranello in manual, and that is very much a keeper. It's the last Ferrari to have a proper manual. By the time they updated it to the 575 even the manual had become a cable affair.

As much as the 550 has risen in value recently, in years to come it will be even more sort after as the last true manual drivers Ferrari.

 

[mjheathcote]

I think it's the double de-clutch engine blip with larini's that do it for me with the CC box.
I'm easily pleased!

 

[Luna 06]

Since leaving the maserati ownership a few weeks ago I feel the need to get back in and looking at the above.
Had a 3200 and a more recently a QP, 3200 was auto, QP was Duo, so might as well complete the set with a manual 4200.

What is there to look out for on these cars?
Probably be a 2004/2005 model and I have test drove a few.
One was a little tired and one seemed pretty decent (new clutch a few k ago) and drove fine, but when in neutral if the clutch was pressed and then let out really quick there was a little "thud" and I do mean little (kind of like the noise the duo select made when going from neutral to 1st) , but drove well and was solid.

Is this characteristic of the manual 4200 or potential ££££££?
Any other guidance would be greatly appreciated.

Was that the Luna blue 4200 you tried?

 

[midlifecrisis]

So let me get this straight, we have a 3200 /4200 rivalry.

Now we have a 4200 manual v Cambiocorsa rivalry...

What's next, Larini v Quicksilver v Tubi?

 

[Contigo]

HP Sauce Vs Daddies

 

[mjheathcote]

HP for me everytime!

 

[BennyD]

There's no rivalry; 4200 CC spyder with boomerangs every time.

 

[Contigo]

There's no rivalry; 4200 CC spyder with boomerangs every time.

You're ******* weird though

 

[BennyD]

If you are saying it, it means I'm normal.

 

[outrun]

Amazing how we all see things differently. That's part of the fun, I reckon.

Gransport for me every time. You can stick your more subtle coupes. CC works well on the GS. At no point have I ever wished there was a manual version. 3200 AC manual that I drove was rubbish with different throws between each gear. That's why I bought an auto. I suspect that there is quite some variation from car to car, especially given the age/mileage and history differences from car to car. Not driven a manual 4200 however I can understand why a cable driven system may need some fettling from time to time.

 

[alfatwo]

Those Selespeed Alfa 156's from 16 years ago were basically the same as the old Maser CC system, and they were rubbish..

You can't beat a proper manual gearbox, even if it's German made, which also means it will never give any trouble

In years to come the classic 3200GT will be the car to own!


Dave

 

[Ewan]

Indeed Dave. The investment car is the 3200 GT (manual). While the 3200 GTA or 4200 (cc or manual) are perfectly good cars for now, in 10 years time it'll be the 3200 GT that'll command the money.

 

[conaero]

Those Selespeed Alfa 156's from 16 years ago were basically the same as the old Maser CC system, and they were rubbish..

You can't beat a proper manual gearbox, even if it's German made, which also means it will never give any trouble

In years to come the classic 3200GT will be the car to own!


Dave

So that Getrag German manual box doesn't give any Agro on the 3200....end float???