Meanwhile in the StarmerBunker....

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Meanwhile. In the StarmerBunker. The lights are off AND nobody's home.
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Its says a lot, when the Leader of the Opposition is Keir "call me Special K" Starmer and the Red Wall Tories are worried about re-election under Boris. Just how bad does a Labour Leader have to be, for the electorate to believe, 'We're better off with Boris.'
 
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He is the invisible man incarnate, an utter vacuum, he's been in the job almost two years and has nothing to offer, he is still surrounded by nut job Corbynites with no change to any of the 'popular' policies that failed to get them elected in December 2019! It doesn't matter how 'decent' he is, he has zero substance and even less political chutzpah.
 

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Its easy to point out the failings of others but quite the opposite to come up with answers. Sadly it seems to me he and his team are focused on the negatives of whoever and what ever and their only answer is that they would do it better / right but with no indication as to how or what that would be.

There seems to be a real lack or people from all parties with the skills and integrity required, on top of that the press are more interested in causing sensationalist stories than reporting news.
Where will it all end I wonder? Continuous changes in weak governments, point scoring and failing to sort important issues?
 
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I couldn't vote for Boris or any party that has him as leader, so I didn't - not that there is much opposition though.

As above easy to point out issues but something else to come up with alternative solutions
 

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The Labour Party are, and have been for some time, held hostage by Momentum and nutjobs, as was pointed out...
It is woeful...but you cant realistically lay the blame for Labour's self indulgent naval gazing over the last decade on one man...
Is Labour a Socialist political entity..? They dont seem to be able to agree...even if they could broadly get there, they fall to bickering and mudslinging as to what degree you are, or are not, a Tory..! Its abject arrogance because they are no way taken seriously as opposition; someone should point out that they have a purpose..and its not re0inventing the wheel......
Which is pathetic and sad because the Tories need stopping...IMO!
 
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The nation rather vote for a journalist who was balls deep in coked up hookers for most of his career than a lawyer who put terrorists in prison.

Has anyone watched PMQs? Starmer destroys Boris time after time.

But like Trump; Boris is made out of Teflon - nothing sticks.
Everyone loves a winner and admires a likable rogue. However, when said rogue starts to cost the lives of people the voters care about, the rogue's lustre quickly diminishes.

Starmer lacks the killer instinct. He rarely if ever demonstrates any passion. He's another Tony Bliar. Without the charisma. Its obvious that his MPs neither fear nor respect him and he's failed to unite the party. The public loathe divided parties, so no matter how bad Boris gets, they won't vote for a Labour government. Especially with tensions hotting up in Ukraine and Russian submarines and aircraft making almost daily incursions into our areas of interest surrounding the UK.

I watched PMQs a couple of times, after Starmer became leader and it was obvious to me in about two minutes,
that he chokes before the kill, every time. You must see what I mean. I think that Starmer still believes that he's in court and that the logic (if any) of his arguments will suffice. He's in the Colosseum.
In fact, its worse than that. He's in a fighting ring, but he won't come out fighting.
If you've ever stood in the chamber and seen how close two sword's length is, you'd realise that it takes an orator AND a street fighter to survive the Commons chamber.

Yet again we've entered a Yes Minister reality. (if we ever left) The Opposition may be in front of Boris, but the real enemy is behind him ;)
 
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I couldn't vote for Boris or any party that has him as leader, so I didn't -
Me neither...
I couldnt understand the nonsense with Corbyn..didnt like Miliband ( they voted for the wrong brother) but I still voted Labour.
 

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The nation rather vote for a journalist who was balls deep in coked up hookers for most of his career than a lawyer who put terrorists in prison.

Has anyone watched PMQs? Starmer destroys Boris time after time.

But like Trump; Boris is made out of Teflon - nothing sticks.
What that tells you about the voting public is eye watering in truth...
 

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Has anyone watched PMQs? Starmer destroys Boris time after time.

Part of his problem is that he has the skill to tackle Johnson and take the ball from him but then has no idea what to do with it, so just gives it back so he can do it again, you will never win a match like that and struggle to win an election.

It seems to me that the Conservatives are doing a good job at making Labour look like a good option but Labour are doing a better job for the Conservatives!
 

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Part of his problem is that he has the skill to tackle Johnson and take the ball from him but then has no idea what to do with it, so just gives it back so he can do it again, you will never win a match like that and struggle to win an election.

It seems to me that the Conservatives are doing a good job at making Labour look like a good option but Labour are doing a better job for the Conservatives!

Let's face it... Blair's rebranded New Labour, it's centre right politics and pro-capitalist economic policies destroyed the labour party for generations to come (not to mention the **** show of an economic legacy).

Labour are left with ghosts and shadows of what they once were with no cohesive single direction.

Personally I can't stand Labour and since David Cameron I won't vote Tory again.

Consensus politics is over and as a result the electorate is broken - I wonder how many years of turmoil it will take for electoral reform to actually happen.
 

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Consensus politics is over and as a result the electorate is broken - I wonder how many years of turmoil it will take for electoral reform to actually happen.
I seem to recall we had a referendum on P.R....
The country spoke from the bowels of it's collective wisdom...
"Nah...! !
 

P5Nij

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Me neither...
I couldnt understand the nonsense with Corbyn..didnt like Miliband ( they voted for the wrong brother) but I still voted Labour.

The nonsense with Corbyn...? He sat on the fence over Brexit and allowed antisemitism to fester and flourish so much so that the party were investigated over it twice during his so called leadership (my family have suffered first hand from it from so called tolerant Labour supporters). Some would have you believe that it was all a 'right wing press smear campaign' but trust me it is very real and hasn't gone away. You may not have seen it but there is (or was) footage on youtube of him lunging at a young female journalist with his fist a few years ago during the an out door gathering, his little entourage had to drag him away. Her crime was simply to ask him about the quality of his leadership. A cuddly, peaceful man of the people he is not.