QPV key programming

ktrav

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I've bought a couple of replacement keys for my QPV (the current key is a bit battered, and I only have one). They're good quality keys. But the locksmith came out and said he "couldn't get the [something] from the OBD port so can't program the keys".

I'm not sure what it is he couldn't get, but he apparently tried a few programming machines. Has anybody ever done this? Or can you recommend anyone in the North West that can program/cut QPV key keys?

Thanks!
 

CatmanV2

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The car is programmed to accept the key, not vice versa. The 'official' way is to connect your 'machine' to the car, delete all the keys currently stored, then (re) add the keys you want to use.

I understand it is possible to *clone* existing keys of this type to another key *but* as far as I am aware you *cannot* clone a Maserati OEM key to another Maserati OEM key (the RFID chip in the OEM keys isn not read / write)

People have managed to get keys cloned by (I think) Timpsons, but again, not OEM keys. If your keys are OEM, perhaps @conaero or a decent indy can help?

It astounds me the the number of auto locksmiths that have a bunch of machines, but don't actually understand the processes and the tech underneath. CF my own journey with new fobs for the Ghibli.

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ktrav

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Sorry, to clarify my replacement keys are not OEM (the original single key i have is OEM). I might reach out to Timpsons to see if they can clone my original....
 

CatmanV2

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Sorry, to clarify my replacement keys are not OEM (the original single key i have is OEM). I might reach out to Timpsons to see if they can clone my original....

Worth a punt. It will depend at least on what the RFID chip is in the new fobs. If that can be programmed with the code in the OEM key, you should be able to get a key that will start. Not sure how the remote central locking / alarm arm is done, but it's a different sub system.

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Dinomk

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I had the same issue.. 2 lock smith's tried to match a new non- oem key to my QP M139 ECU but no luck. I would be scared to erase the OEM key that works and try to re-match it again... I found OEM keys on ebay..thinking of trying with one of those but I worry if the cut on the blade can be recut to Match mine
 

CatmanV2

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I had the same issue.. 2 lock smith's tried to match a new non- oem key to my QP M139 ECU but no luck. I would be scared to erase the OEM key that works and try to re-match it again... I found OEM keys on ebay..thinking of trying with one of those but I worry if the cut on the blade can be recut to Match mine

Buy a Ghibli. I can do that for you :D

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Gazcw

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Just reading this actually: https://www.maseratilife.com/threads/maserati-key-650-replacement-cost.48898/page-3

It seems if I bought an Xhorse and got the key cut, I can clone my 'working' key. But (if I've understood) whilst it will start the car, the remote fob (say, to unlock the doors) will only work the first time it's pressed.

Hmm. Not ideal.
 

ktrav

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Yeah I'm not near them tbh. And can't risk posting my only working key!

Have you used them before on a Maserati key?
 

ktrav

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All locksmiths are struggling to program the remote fob. They said they'd need the 5 digit pin to bypass the immobiliser. And my local main dealer want £650 just to plug the car in and request the code from Maserati HQ! Is there any other (cheaper) way to get the code?
 

ktrav

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Just an update on this so I can give back to this great forum. Apologies that there are probably technical anomalies in the post, because quite frankly I have no idea what I'm talking about. But it may help others.

I had one original working key (the case had taken a beating, the flipping mechanism was temperamental and the key ring part was missing). So I bought a couple of blank keys from here with a view to creating two "new" keys (these keys have transponder chips on the correct frequency etc): https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/235062525373

The keys are of good quality - a nice feel to them - not light and flimsy. Very similar to OEM.

Many people say that Timpsons can cut/program the keys, but they can ONLY programme the transponder chip and NOT the remote buttons. In other words, you could use the key to manually open your car via the key hole (setting the alarm on) and start it (turning the alarm off). But you won't get remote unlocking of the doors and boot etc.

....but I didn't want a half-working key. So I called Rob over at https://www.carkeysmobile.co.uk/. He's got over 25 years experience cutting/programming keys.

He managed to programme the transponder and cut the key to start with. It wasn't trivial. He also had issues reading from the car (it's based on Fiat apparently), but somehow managed to extract the relevant information (and no, he didn't require the "key card" to do this) to program the transponder.

The remote buttons were tricky too. When his device asked him to start adding the keys for remote programming, he added the original key first which worked fine. It then prompted him to "add another key", so he added the first "new" key which also worked fine. It prompted again to "add another key", but when he tried to add the second "new" key it didn't acknowledge it. It turns out that both the new keys evidently emit the same "signal", so his device thought he was trying to add the same key twice.

He repeated the cycle again, adding only the original key and one "new" key. And afterwards he found that the second "new" key (albeit unprogrammed) sent the same signals to unlock/lock the car as the first "new" key! This is good, you might think? But you'd be wrong.

As the @CatmanV2 has pointed out on numerous occasions, QPVs use a rolling code mechanism. So what this meant is that the two "new" keys were competing with each other since they were sending the same "signal" when locking/unlocking the car. And hence the new keys were becoming out of synch with the car.

However, since the "new" keys were sending a different "signal" to the car than the original key, it meant that we could use the original key and ONE of the new keys successfully together.

So in the end, the solution was to use ONE of the new keys and replace the old case on the original key with the new case on my second "new" key. Thankfully the little circuit board inside the original key fit perfectly into the new case (I've seen some people on forums hacking around to make it fit). But it now means I have two working, good quality keys, with full functionality.

Thanks to @CatmanV2 for his advice throughout!
 

Harvey_Tim

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Thank you for posting this info, I am in a similar situation as I only have one key.

Re. your comment regarding Timpsons, I am not doubting you but did you actually check this with them?

Their website shows 2 options one of which is “Non Remote Key - that works manually without buttons”. When I checked in my local store they said that they (i.e. in that store) could only only offer the manual key option as they didn’t have the necessary software, but they looked it up on their system and gave me the details of the nearest store that did have the software (which in my case was just 3 miles away) and said they would be able to offer the fully working key option with all remote functions working. I have not yet pursued this, so I don’t know if it’s true or not.

Like I say I am not doubting you, I am just asking as I was hoping to use Timpsons myself and I am interested to see if you tried to get the fully working option and then subsequently found that in reality they were unable to do it or if it was the same as above where your local store was only able to offer the manual key option because they did not have the software?

I am on the south coast so I cannot use Rob who I believe is Manchester based?

Thanks.

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ktrav

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"did you actually check this with them" - I did, yes. They actually referred me to a non-Timpsons auto-electrician who they said "probably" had the correct machines to do it. They did actually pay me a visit, but their machine couldn't communicate with the car (in the sense of reading/extracting whatever information they required to programme the key). They did say they might be able to bypass the immobiliser with a 5 digit pin, but when I got hold of the key card I could no longer get hold of the auto-electrician! :)
 

ktrav

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I also have mild onset of OCD, and I don't recall Timpsons doing a good replica key either. It was either without the Maserati badge, or a black non-standard one. I couldn't cope with either every time I drive the car. :)
 

CatmanV2

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Thank you for posting this info, I am in a similar situation as I only have one key.

Re. your comment regarding Timpsons, I am not doubting you but did you actually check this with them?

Their website shows 2 options one of which is “Non Remote Key - that works manually without buttons”. When I checked in my local store they said that they (i.e. in that store) could only only offer the manual key option as they didn’t have the necessary software, but they looked it up on their system and gave me the details of the nearest store that did have the software (which in my case was just 3 miles away) and said they would be able to offer the fully working key option with all remote functions working. I have not yet pursued this, so I don’t know if it’s true or not.

Like I say I am not doubting you, I am just asking as I was hoping to use Timpsons myself and I am interested to see if you tried to get the fully working option and then subsequently found that in reality they were unable to do it or if it was the same as above where your local store was only able to offer the manual key option because they did not have the software?

I am on the south coast so I cannot use Rob who I believe is Manchester based?

Thanks.

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I *really* doubt that Timpson's can offer a genuine remote key, no matter what the web team have written. Simply because the genuine keys are not programmed. The *car* is programmed to accept the key.....

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Harvey_Tim

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"did you actually check this with them" - I did, yes. They actually referred me to a non-Timpsons auto-electrician who they said "probably" had the correct machines to do it. They did actually pay me a visit, but their machine couldn't communicate with the car (in the sense of reading/extracting whatever information they required to programme the key). They did say they might be able to bypass the immobiliser with a 5 digit pin, but when I got hold of the key card I could no longer get hold of the auto-electrician! :)
Ok thanks for the information, guess I will look elsewhere.

Out of interest how did you manage to get hold of the key card with the 5 digit PIN as I don’t have one of them either ?
 

Harvey_Tim

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I *really* doubt that Timpson's can offer a genuine remote key, no matter what the web team have written. Simply because the genuine keys are not programmed. The *car* is programmed to accept the key.....

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Yeah I was always a bit dubious about it, hence why i have not pursued it yet as I my biggest fear is them bricking the car or rendering my only key unusable! … however re. the *car* being programmed they did say they would need to plug their software into the car to do it.
 

CatmanV2

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Yeah I was always a bit dubious about it, hence why i have not pursued it yet as I my biggest fear is them bricking the car or rendering my only key unusable! … however re. the *car* being programmed they did say they would need to plug their software into the car to do it.

Maybe they can then. Step one is to remove all the already accepted keys. You'd better hope step 2 goes well ;)

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