SK performance in Bolton goes into liquidation 40 cars seized

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mjheathcote said:
Surely it has to be established whether the money for the sale went into the account of the trading garage under receivership. If not, it's theft and an insurance claim??
I'm sure it will all come out but no fun at all for all those effected.
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The issue is not that the car has been stolen. It has not been stolen. It was sold and the middleman didn't hand over the monies.
Original owner hands over car, keys and V5 to dealer and says sell my car for me which they do.
Same situation if dealer handed over £10k of a £20k vehicle and said they were taking this for costs or whatever. You cant claim for the £10k you think you are entitled to.
You probably have a breach of contract but that is one for a solicitor not the insurance company. The Insurance company are not debt collectors in a nutshell.
The new owner has paid a fair market price for a vehicle and has a receipt and documents. It is not their fault the monies don't get passed to the previous owner.
Apart from the money side of things it is a huge breach of trust and a dirty thing to do to someone and I have full sympathy for all involved but legal action or administrators I see as the only hope if the car has been moved on to a new owner.
 
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Needamaser said:
The issue is not that the car has been stolen. It has not been stolen. It was sold and the middleman didn't hand over the monies.
Original owner hands over car, keys and V5 to dealer and says sell my car for me which they do.
Same situation if dealer handed over £10k of a £20k vehicle and said they were taking this for costs or whatever. You cant claim for the £10k you think you are entitled to.
You probably have a breach of contract but that is one for a solicitor not the insurance company. The Insurance company are not debt collectors in a nutshell.
The new owner has paid a fair market price for a vehicle and has a receipt and documents. It is not their fault the monies don't get passed to the previous owner.
Apart from the money side of things it is a huge breach of trust and a dirty thing to do to someone and I have full sympathy for all involved but legal action or administrators I see as the only hope if the car has been moved on to a new owner.
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Completely understand, however what I am saying did the money for the sale go straight into the garage owners 'back pocket', which must be theft, or did it go correctly into the trading company, and the trading company failed to transfer the money of the sale (less commision), before going into receivership.
 
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One thing I taught myself after living the first 20 years of my life in North Western England and going to school in Blackburn was to be very careful about who you trust especially those from the minority groups. This may sound like a generalisation but mine is based on first hand experience and YMMV. My rule now is that as soon as I see a car ad from a dealer in that part of the World and including Sheffield, Bradford and other parts of Yorkshire I always tread with extreme trepidation. That's just my experience and YMMV.
 
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Contigo said:
One thing I taught myself after living the first 20 years of my life in North Western England and going to school in Blackburn was to be very careful about who you trust especially those from the minority groups. This may sound like a generalisation but mine is based on first hand experience and YMMV. My rule now is that as soon as I see a car ad from a dealer in that part of the World and including Sheffield, Bradford and other parts of Yorkshire I always tread with extreme trepidation. That's just my experience and YMMV.
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Am sorry to say due to a very bad experience, I do the same.
 
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Looks like this could have been a fraud very similar to the one I got caught up with. Get a load of cars on sale or return deals by offering low commission. Fire sale them off quickly, raise a few hundred k and then take the cash out of the company or pay off "loans". Close the business before the owners notice that their car has been sold.

Normally the liquidator would look at where this firesale cash went, but if there is little prospect of recovering any assets they will realise they wont' get paid and they will could just quickly close the case down. Getting the police to look it is almost impossible these days as they are so thinly stretched. Best hope is get a lawyer and litigate against the person who has your cars . If they can't prove that the garage had the legal right to sell the car (without recourse back to you) then you stand a good chance as you can't buy something that the seller has nor right to sell - but it will come down to the paper work that was signed.
 
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Next hearing is likely to be a 5 minute appearance where solicitor says he maintains a not guilty plea and they set a date for trial and maybe another hearing date.
If there was a sudden change to a guilty plea then would imagine sentence would be deferred for reports anyway.
 
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Needamaser said:
Next hearing is likely to be a 5 minute appearance where solicitor says he maintains a not guilty plea and they set a date for trial and maybe another hearing date.
If there was a sudden change to a guilty plea then would imagine sentence would be deferred for reports anyway.
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Not bothered - I would be there with a great big sign .....YOU SOLD MY CAR....WHERE IS MY NONEY????

Begs the question how he was allowed to continue trading and given licence to take in more cars!!!
 
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In my case the two dealer owners were charged - one pleased guilty and got one year (!) the other was found not guilty and walked (!!). They sold more than a dozen cars on sale or return in a few weeks and then shut up shop. They were caught boarding a ferry to France with one of the LHD Ferrari's which had been placed on sale or return.

This is the only way I would consider a S or R deal now is if I had a signed doc which clearly states the dealer has no right to sell the car without written permission. I really hope it works out for you and don't give up if you are patient and take legal advice you stand a good chance of getting something or all back.
 
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Thinking of dealers of a certain type/location, I once bought a car from "sheik" Amari. Turned out he didn't clear the outstanding finance. But as he was a registered dealer I was covered by the law and I got to keep the car. He, on the other hand, went to jail.

Safe to say I've not used him since...

Best of luck to all concerned by this fiasco. Hope you all get your cars/money back eventually.
 
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Guys they have sold my Mini paceman JCW.... I'm offering £2500 for any information leaded to the recovery of the car and a contact number for any of them !
 
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Hi

I'm starting a whatsapp group for all those who had their cars sold on without payment. I was one of them, there is a lot of us so it would be best to stay in communication and pool resources. The police don't have the time to help very much as they're so thinly stretched.

All those who have been affected by this please email me at samuel.withins@hotmail.co.uk. We're much better sticking together on this one to get things done.

Thanks
Sam

Samuel.withins@hotmail.co.uk
 
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With the number of people affected by this, grouped together, the side effect could at the least give a big warning to others thinking about selling their car this way, and maybe push to make a change in the law to protect both the seller and new buyer should things go wrong.
 
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