Terrible News Coming Out of Paris

[zagatoes30]

Discussion is the only way these issues get resolved and for a car forum the open debate here is open and frank without being bigoted or controversial.

 

[drewf]

Every car being stopped and checked on the French/Swiss border at Geneva today, resulting in massive queues. I'm sure we will see ever more of it - after we've been enjoying ever more open borders with fewer checks, I can see it going back to the sort of checks we necessarily still have at the ports for entering the UK.

 

[hoyin]

I was just reading a Guardian editorial about 9/11 and how that sparked an all out war against the Middle East and how that contributed hugely to the growth of ISIS.

I wonder what the situation is in the countries being targeted by the West. We must not forget it is a different culture and information the general public receives and is aware to is completely different. For instance in China the news is totally controlled and my relatives who reside there have a completely different perspective and understanding of the world (though one could also argue that western news is still manipulated in some way and not always the entire truth or skewed to favour someone).

My point being that there is the very likely possibility that the residents of the countries we are now bombing don't know the reasons why we are attacking them. And if you were in those shoes and innocent members of you family or friends were killed which you would also see as attacks of terrorism and war you would be incensed to join ISIS and seek revenge especially being egged on by the extremists.

I guess what I am saying is that we are never going to wipe them out. By killing more all you are doing is creating greater hatred and more people willing to join their cause.

It is no different to the reactions we have in the western world when these atrocities happen. We too are shouting for revenge and war and so will they.

 

[Wack61]

I was in the US prior to 911 , landed in New York went through customs then on to a connecting flight to Chicago , I can't remember if I had to show ID getting on the plane but getting off there was nothing , I kept walking expecting to go through some sort of security but no, straight off the plane on to the street which really surprised me.

Watching the air strikes on the news this morning and hearing that they've stopped 10 attacks in the uk in the last 6 months is making me wonder how long it's going to be before one gets through

I was lucky when the IRA bombed Warrington , I decided to go to Manchester that day , a friend was about 200m away when the bombs went off, luckily he ran the right way when the second bomb went off

My wife got evacuated when the Manchester bomb went off , there's no telephone warning with a suicide bomber

I can't imagine being a police officer in a major city if they start stop and search because if you find one you're dead

 

[ChrisQP09]

any "boots on ground" operation must include Russia otherwise ww3 is here and that must be avoided at all costs .

Putin has signed a decree that 150,000 conscripts are to be enlisted. Perhaps they're already starting.

 

[allandwf]

I can see Russia doing just that, which will not go down well with USA, and us. Months of bickering will ensue, when we all need to work together.

 

[drewf]

I was in the US prior to 911 , landed in New York went through customs then on to a connecting flight to Chicago , I can't remember if I had to show ID getting on the plane but getting off there was nothing , I kept walking expecting to go through some sort of security but no, straight off the plane on to the street which really surprised me.

Why? You won't see much getting off any domestic flight in any country - the security about getting on domestic flights is relatively recent, but why would there be any requirement for checking people getting off a flight in-country?

 

[CatmanV2]

Why? You won't see much getting off any domestic flight in any country - the security about getting on domestic flights is relatively recent, but why would there be any requirement for checking people getting off a flight in-country?

Exactly what I've always found travelling internally in the US

C

 

[Wack61]

perhaps its always been the norm with internal flights, its the only time i've ever flown internally but this suggests I didn't have to show ID to get on either

In 2003 John Gilmore sued United Airlines, Southwest Airlines and U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft, arguing that requiring passengers to show identification before boarding domestic flights is tantamount to an internal passport, and is unconstitutional.[6][7] Gilmore initially lost the case, known as Gilmore v. Gonzales, and an appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court was denied.

It's just been announced on the radio one of the terrorists came into greece as a migrant with all the, I wonder how many others used it as a free pass

 

[zagatoes30]

I was lucky when the IRA bombed Warrington , I decided to go to Manchester that day , a friend was about 200m away when the bombs went off, luckily he ran the right way when the second bomb went off

I was in Warrington that day, going to Argos, I was in Buttermarket St when the bombs went off. If I had been a bit earlier I would have been in Bridge St, so always considered myself lucky that day.

 

[drewf]

perhaps its always been the norm with internal flights, its the only time i've ever flown internally but this suggests I didn't have to show ID to get on either

In 2003 John Gilmore sued United Airlines, Southwest Airlines and U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft, arguing that requiring passengers to show identification before boarding domestic flights is tantamount to an internal passport, and is unconstitutional.[6][7] Gilmore initially lost the case, known as Gilmore v. Gonzales, and an appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court was denied.

As recently as 2 years ago, BA didn't require any photographic ID for UK or Irish citizens travelling on a domestic flight with no checked baggage. They do now, but a driving licence or even a company ID card will do - you certainly don't need a passport. Under 16? Don't need any ID whatsoever.

Prior to 911 when I used to travel extensively inside the USA, many of my colleagues there treated the aircraft like buses, with about the same level of ID required to board.

The airlines were initially left to set their own rules, and without checking, I suspect this is probably still the case.

 

[Wack61]

I was in Warrington that day, going to Argos, I was in Buttermarket St when the bombs went off. If I had been a bit earlier I would have been in Bridge St, so always considered myself lucky that day.

Very lucky, I'll never understand how anyone could plant a bomb outside a McDonalds on the day before mothers day specifically targeting children

 

[gingeh721]

I think it's time to send troops to Syria and Iraq and root out this cancer.

As long as they continue to hold territory, a semi functioning state and sources of income, this will only get worse.

Airstrikes alone are useless

It's very easy to say 'send in the troops' when you aren't one of them. We have already fought in Iraq and Afghanistan for 14 years which has cost the UK and British Commonwealth in 635 men and women dead, thousands with missing limbs and other injuries and not much in the way of help from the British government afterwards. In fact, the current government were so thankful for our sacrifices they made over 20,000 members of our army redundant. Just my opinion.

 

[GeoffCapes]

I was in Warrington that day, going to Argos, I was in Buttermarket St when the bombs went off. If I had been a bit earlier I would have been in Bridge St, so always considered myself lucky that day.

I had a lucky escape from the IRA bomb in St Mary's Axe. I was in the pub where two people were killed about an hour before it went off.
And I also saw and heard the Canary Wharf bomb go off when I was on the train home.

A friend of mine had a luckier escape from the Old Bailey bomb in the seventies. He literally turned a corner as it went off, such was the force of the blast, it blew his shoe off that was not quite round the corner. He never found it!

 

[D Walker]

It's very easy to say 'send in the troops' when you aren't one of them. We have already fought in Iraq and Afghanistan for 14 years which has cost the UK and British Commonwealth in 635 men and women dead, thousands with missing limbs and other injuries and not much in the way of help from the British government afterwards. In fact, the current government were so thankful for our sacrifices they made over 20,000 members of our army redundant. Just my opinion.

+1 - Exactly what Ginge said ! It never really sinks in that you are just a "number" until the day you realise thats exactly all you are!!!

 

[dem maser]

Very lucky, I'll never understand how anyone could plant a bomb outside a McDonalds on the day before mothers day specifically targeting children

*****

 

[dem maser]

I heard the Canary Wharf bomb....lived 7 miles away and you could hear it

a small bomb was also planted in Wood Green, I walked past the High Road 5 mins after it went off......

 

[mjheathcote]

My sister in law lives and works in Bordeaux. She is terribly upset for she has just heard the wife of one of her work colleagues in another office was in the concert and has lost her life. Apparently she was next to one of the bastereds who blew himself up, it's taken 3 days to identify her remains.

 

[Contigo]

One that haunts me and I always think for the grace of god etc was the Mumbai terrorist attacks. I was booked in at the Taj Mahal Hotel for a few nighs and at the last minute it was cancelled. Sat at home on that wednesday evening with the wife thinking how lucky?