Turbo and No ASR/RCY issues

[Carrmonkey]

Evening guys

Im new to 3200 ownership and have owned my new wheels for all of 700 miles now. Unfortunately the car has developed a blown turbo on the nearside and sounds like a screaming cat. The garage has stated that it needs replacement of refurbishment and have recommended doing both at the same time which is the usual line when stripping these out I assume.

Do any of you know a reputable turbo refurbishment outfit that can actually refurb these units?

Ive also got an intermittent fault that pops up every 20 miles or so. Its a No ASR / RCY fault with a EWL and the car tends to fall into limp mode. A battery reset normally rectifies the issue only for it to return. Ive bought a code reader and had a S0221 error but the garage can't see it on the SD2, as I've cleared it in my delight of playing with the new code reader toy

Ive been told it could be one of: Phonic sensors, CAN Bridge, wheel bearing or some other issue.

If you have any ideas or suggestions they are most gratefully received

Thanks
Mark

 

[Contigo]

First off welcome and secondly I feel your pain but that's why buying from a enthusiast or with a PPI is the best for these cars. There are so many hidden niggles and common faults which need ironing out before you get a reliable car. Did you read my forum buying guide before jumping in?

Turbo's are bullet proof, I've heard of one failure and that's it. That itself shows poor maintenance of the car. If you take it to Emblem on a Saturday morning clinic be prepared to sit down once they give you the checklist of issues. After saying all this lots of the things on the list are simple fixes and with help from this forum you should be able to get them done cheap.

P0221 is related to the Throttle Body or Pedal and 99% of limp mode issues are caused by the cruddy Magneti Marelli DBW system in the 3200. The best bet is to get the Throttle body converted to contactless by Mike Roberts at the Maserati shed. The NO ASR/RCY message could be something entirely different and related to the accelerometer in the front of the car which breaks up over time, there is a way to fix this and a thread on here how to do it.

 

[Carrmonkey]

Thanks Phil

I did go through the forum buying guides and paid for a pre inspection which came up with no issues. The fault code I gave is the wrong one and thanks for pointing that out. As soon as I bought the car I sent the throttle body to Mike at the Maserati Shed and have gone contactless with great results.

I think the other code (from memory) was P0700 and was connected to the transmission. I could be wrong but will check when im in the garage in the morning.

Cheers Mark

 

[Contigo]

Thanks Phil

I did go through the forum buying guides and paid for a pre inspection which came up with no issues. The fault code I gave is the wrong one and thanks for pointing that out. As soon as I bought the car I sent the throttle body to Mike at the Maserati Shed and have gone contactless with great results.

I think the other code (from memory) was P0700 and was connected to the transmission. I could be wrong but will check when im in the garage in the morning.

Cheers Mark

P0700 is a gearbox control unit issue, It can be triggered by low voltage (10v) so first thing I would do is replace your battery, reset the codes and then give it a run.

Who did the inspection and how did they not pick up a failing turbo? Surely it had some noise and didn't just catastrophically fail? They are as I say pretty much bulletproof IHI roller bearing blowers!!!!

 

[Carrmonkey]

Thanks Phil

The battery is new so im not sure its the culprit but worth testing none the less.

The inspection was carried out by Migilore cars in Birmingham and to my mind the turbo was not making any unusual noise and was pulling really well with no problems so its a bit odd. The failure occurred whilst hitting the red line in 2nd gear and it just popped. The garage have mentioned its a flange issue which im inspecting in the morning so will know more then.

Thanks Mark

 

[Contigo]

If you need a replacement Turbo let me know.

 

[Carrmonkey]

Morning all

So it turns out the bearing has failed on the nearside turbo. Ive got under the car and the exhaust is off. I can turn the impeller and it has a biting point and you can feel the bearing grinding behind it which is causing the screaming.

The off side is okay and working but Im thinking it might be a good idea to refurb both at the same time

Ive contacted Turbo Technik in Germany and Turbo Technics in Northampton who both claim to be able to refurb the turbos. Ive also made contact with Dave Askew who has a 2nd hand unit for £280 plus VAT.

Do any of you know if these firms can successfully refurb the units or is the 2nd hand choice the best option?

Cheers Mark

 

[spkennyuk]

Might be worth a call to turbo dynamics. They were the people that bored and rebuilt the hybrid turbos on the mega car build Maserati Ghibli Le Mans Jodie Kidd car.

They made new internal parts on site for that car. I would suspect its going to be more expensive than a 2nd hand part but hopefully they can give you some options. Link below.

http://www.turbodynamics.co.uk/media/blog/supercar-megabuild-feature

 

[highlander]

As Phil says, the turbos are pretty much bomb proof, the 2nd hand price is reasonable and you could pretty much predict no further issues given their reliability so I would go for that. Especially given you seem to have a few other issues to sort as well.
Oh, and welcome aboard!

 

[davy83]

i must have also lucked out, as i had a turbo failure, also with a destroyed bearing, they are Japanese turbos from IHI so any one who can work on IHI turbos can do it. Having said that i also tried to get my turbos rebuilt and both were declared not repairable and i ended up buying new ones. it is hard to remove them and you need the front sub-frame off to get them out, so its a big job. I replaced both turbos and all of the hoses, the water and air hoses so i would not have to go in there again, too much like hard work. The replacements were not cheap, i don't have the invoice to hand but it was eye watering the whole job. error 221 relates to the pedal sensor and its probably worn or out of spec. try a calibration see if this helps, or move the idle stop bolt to a different position (measuring the sensor output to make sure its in spec) and re-calibrate it might buy you a little time. ASR error could be a number of things, rusty phonic rings is a common issue, although a proper SD2 will tell you exactly why that error is coming up. You can see the phonic rings with the wheels off if you are DIY minded.
If you don't do your own repairs and you have a 3200 with a list of issues, i would warn you this might get expensive, the 3200 is renowned for having a series of well documented niggly problems and it might take a bit of work to get it running properly.

 

[StuartW]

As Phil says, the turbos are pretty much bomb proof, the 2nd hand price is reasonable and you could pretty much predict no further issues given their reliability so I would go for that. Especially given you seem to have a few other issues to sort as well.
Oh, and welcome aboard!

+ 1, you surely cannot be so unlucky as to have 2 turbos fail on you ...

 

[Carrmonkey]

Thanks for the responses guys

I think the second hand option is probably the best way forwards on this. Will let you know how it goes

Cheers Mark

 

[deano]

Hi.just to let you know,my 3200 blew the n/s turbo.the actual turbine and compressor shaft snapped,

First off welcome and secondly I feel your pain but that's why buying from a enthusiast or with a PPI is the best for these cars. There are so many hidden niggles and common faults which need ironing out before you get a reliable car. Did you read my forum buying guide before jumping in?

Turbo's are bullet proof, I've heard of one failure and that's it. That itself shows poor maintenance of the car. If you take it to Emblem on a Saturday morning clinic be prepared to sit down once they give you the checklist of issues. After saying all this lots of the things on the list are simple fixes and with help from this forum you should be able to get them done cheap.

P0221 is related to the Throttle Body or Pedal and 99% of limp mode issues are caused by the cruddy Magneti Marelli DBW system in the 3200. The best bet is to get the Throttle body converted to contactless by Mike Roberts at the Maserati shed. The NO ASR/RCY message could be something entirely different and related to the accelerometer in the front of the car which breaks up over time, there is a way to fix this and a thread on here how to do it.

 

[Contigo]

Yes I remember mate yours was the one I alluded to.