Brexit Deal

CatmanV2 · Dec 10, 2020

GeoffCapes said:
Isn't that Friday?

The Bin day thread is over there

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Simon1963 · Dec 10, 2020

GeoffCapes said:
Isn't that Friday?

No f@@k it I’m breaking tradition in support of Boris and his negotiations

Simon1963 · Dec 10, 2020

GeoffCapes said:
I'm not sure it's to punish us. I think they are just looking out for the interests of the 27 notions that make up the EU.

Why would you do the UK any favours and make any agreement you have now worse, and give the UK a competitive advantage over their member states.

Look at it from their side, if Germany want to leave and we were still part of the EU, would you do them any favours?

Maybe punish was not the right word. “Make it as difficult as possible”

Silvercat · Dec 10, 2020

Simon1963 said:
Maybe punish was not the right word. “Make it as difficult as possible”

So the only answer (sadly) is to walk away....for now at least. This stand off was always going to happen for many of the reasons highlighted already. So if it was me, I would walk away to let the dust settle, live with the pain for now and then revisit in a few months time. The UK will 'hurt' big style with no deal for now but so will the EU, so hopefully common sense and some objectivity will prevail... eventually.

philw696 · Dec 10, 2020

Wanderer · Dec 10, 2020

Silvercat said:
So the only answer (sadly) is to walk away....for now at least. This stand off was always going to happen for many of the reasons highlighted already. So if it was me, I would walk away to let the dust settle, live with the pain for now and then revisit in a few months time. The UK will 'hurt' big style with no deal for now but so will the EU, so hopefully common sense and some objectivity will prevail... eventually.

Easiest Deal in history
We hold all the cards.

What happened?

Davidt99 · Dec 10, 2020

midlifecrisis said:
Am I right in thinking that Fishing is the main sticking point?
So an export industry worth around $288m has scuppered the car export industry worth $41bn.

Well done Boris for the oven ready deal and free dinner with Ursula.

Fishing is about sovereignty over UK waters, the other issues that hold equal weight are the "level playing field" which is EU speak for how can we stop the UK's economy becoming more successful than ours, and the other issue is governance i.e. who decides if the UK has broken any agreements.

The trade deal should have been simple and "oven ready" but the EU shite in it until it became unedible.

Davidt99 · Dec 10, 2020

GeoffCapes said:
I think it's one of them.
I think the funniest part is that fact that we sell 75% of our fish to the EU.
But with No Deal, we won't be able to at the prices we do now as a huge tariff will be put on our fish, which will make it uneconomical for them to buy it.

But hey. It's what they voted for, so no point complaining.

Thats so that the EU can sell the fish back to us at inflated prices, its what the EU calls fair trade!

Davidt99 · Dec 10, 2020

Wanderer said:
Easiest Deal in history
We hold all the cards.

What happened?

We never really held all the cards but we did foolishly think the EU would negotiate in good faith and understand what sovereignty meant. Interestingly the EU commission has released a contingency plan for no deal and included in the document instructions to the 27 member states not to do side deals with the UK, I guess they are worried there will be a breaking of ranks.

D Walker · Dec 10, 2020

midlifecrisis · Dec 10, 2020

1 v 27...

Wanderer · Dec 10, 2020

Davidt99 said:
We never really held all the cards but we did foolishly think the EU would negotiate in good faith and understand what sovereignty meant. Interestingly the EU commission has released a contingency plan for no deal and included in the document instructions to the 27 member states not to do side deals with the UK, I guess they are worried there will be a breaking of ranks.

The other 27 states cant do side deals, that's the basis of the EU's trading policy.

Davidt99 · Dec 10, 2020

Wanderer said:
The other 27 states cant do side deals, that's the basis of the EU's trading policy.

If that's the case why did the EU commission feel the need to reiterate that in the contingency planning document.

Wanderer · Dec 10, 2020

Davidt99 said:
If that's the case why did the EU commission feel the need to reiterate that in the contingency planning document.

I dunno!

Saigon · Dec 10, 2020

Wanderer said:
That is true. I think it's either 3 or 6 months before you can. Price of Brexit.....

On a side note health service here is weird (Belgium), it's free but you pay up front and claim back. But most subscribe to a 'Mutuelle' which negates all that so no payment up front, they sort it, and it's like 4 Euro a month. Or 6 if you want private room if hospitalised etc, and it seems dentistry is included at no cost, and from what my landlord tells me, so is laser eye surgery cos he just had it.

That’s definitely worth keeping an eye on.

Zep · Dec 10, 2020

Davidt99 said:
If that's the case why did the EU commission feel the need to reiterate that in the contingency planning document.

Because they want to make sure everyone knows.

In the same way as Boris says “there is a chance of no deal”, or the UKG introduce legislation to break the withdrawal agreement.

I didn’t think this would be anything but a protracted exercise. If the deal was really oven ready, politicians on both sides were opening themselves up to accusations of either not asking for enough or giving away too much.

The only thing that would satisfy political requirements, for both sides, is if it looks like the pips are really squeaking.

Given that it seems that neither side appears to have conceded anything in weeks, you wonder what they are actually talking about in these discussions. If I am in this situation in a negotiation you withdraw and review.

Wanderer · Dec 10, 2020

Zep said:
Because they want to make sure everyone knows.

In the same way as Boris says “there is a chance of no deal”, or the UKG introduce legislation to break the withdrawal agreement.

I didn’t think this would be anything but a protracted exercise. If the deal was really oven ready, politicians on both sides were opening themselves up to accusations of either not asking for enough or giving away too much.

The only thing that would satisfy political requirements, for both sides, is if it looks like the pips are really squeaking.

Given that it seems that neither side appears to have conceded anything in weeks, you wonder what they are actually talking about in these discussions. If I am in this situation in a negotiation you withdraw and review.

Or ask for an extension if it's still on the table which I don't think it is now.

allandwf · Dec 10, 2020

Maybe they were all just exchanging Secret Santas! Would have been as well.

Silvercat · Dec 10, 2020

At the end of the day the way forward will be determined by how much 'pain' the UK vs the EU can endure by not having a workable trade agreement in place. When Merkel starts to get real pressure from BMW and others and it starts to cost real jobs and businesses in Germany, then watch the discussions take on a new urgency, and perhaps a willingness to compromise.

midlifecrisis · Dec 10, 2020

At the end of the day... It gets dark

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