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JonW

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Dan! said:
This is a weird thread. After skimming through I've made a few observations;
There are people persisting to try and make a point that there's not enough discussion about Maserati, in between posts discussing Maserati.
The chap that started the thread stating that he's going to have a digital detox was last active in the last half hour.
The person that pretty much kicked off this meltdown with a very public flounce is now back and commenting.
There is no clique, unless you make a donation to charity to join the clique. But there is no clique. (taps nose)
Some people have an amazing, dry sense of humour that a lot of people completely don't get and then get all upset about nothing.
One of the people that has been bullied the most, abused the most, has silently moved away without anyone noticing. And clearly the place is no better for it.
Other than that. No complaints, carry on.
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I agree Dan... TBH every time I see a new post on this thread I wince a bit, as I’m slightly embarrassed by it.

For me, the issue is not really about on-topic, or off-topic posts... I think some of the non-car related stuff is fine, and helps to make this a community.

The bit’s I don’t like is when people choose to express their views by ridiculing or belittling the views of others... or when they refuse to accept that there’s any possibility that a view contrary to their own could ever be valid... I’m really hoping that the forthcoming code of conduct or whatever it is going to be called will help with this, and for now I’m picking which threads I choose to open, and am experimenting with the Ignore option...

On that topic, I have a question - if someone replies to a post by someone you have ignored (and quotes the original post) do you see their reply?
 
Oneball

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Yes. You’d see the reply but not the quote from the ignored.

Don’t think you should be embarrassed. If it’s upsetting you say something many others are probably feeling the same.
 
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alfatwo said:
Yea I completely understand, hopefully when this is all over we can have a reset!
Dave
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Surely one of the most annoying things has to be when someone posts about how bad things are and feel that they have to highlight it, yet again. (Just seen this on the news), and the majority already know, or will soon find out for themselves, as if they get some sort of satisfaction out of pointing out how bad things are elsewhere.
 
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Saigon said:
Surely one of the most annoying things has to be when someone posts about how bad things are and feel that they have to highlight it, yet again. (Just seen this on the news), and the majority already know, or will soon find out for themselves, as if they get some sort of satisfaction out of pointing out how bad things are elsewhere.
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It's called talking self righteous 5hite....
 
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Saigon said:
Surely one of the most annoying things has to be when someone posts about how bad things are and feel that they have to highlight it, yet again. (Just seen this on the news), and the majority already know, or will soon find out for themselves, as if they get some sort of satisfaction out of pointing out how bad things are elsewhere.
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Zep said:
I completely respect your view Nikos, but I have to tell you that there are no fees for membership of the forum. The centenary club was created for of a group of members who made a charitable contribution to a particular cause. There are no additional privileges, apart from knowing that they have tried to do some good.

The formation of groups of like minded members, cliques if you like, is a natural part of how groups of individuals work. It cannot be stopped. Some members attend events, some organise them, some make or find cheaper parts, some offer technical assistance. These contributions are recognised and real friendships are forged through that. There may well the threads which some people dislike, which they should avoid. I don’t like some of them, but it’s not down to any one person, if people post on them, and they aren’t offensive or devisive then they should stay.

SM was and still is supported by enthusiasts, we have listened to the feedback, changes are in progress, but the fundamentals of this free service remain exactly as they were.
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Hello Zep and thank you for your comments. I was not referring to the centenary club only. I can see a trend of some people here (the clique) trying to "guide" or "manipulate" members to specific solutions regarding service, parts etc, while other makes/parts/solutions are rejected, which sounds strange. It's ok to try to low the cost in some ways, but our cars are expensive, and if anyone wants to have one, should be willing to pay for it. There is a saying is Greece which tells "golden undershirts need golden asses".
It's ok not to buy the Maserati front discs with the label on it, but buy straight the brembo 550 discs, rather that manufacture them privately, with limited testing on the specific car. Maseratis are premium, not Chinese, and so are the costs. And, personally i feel scared to track the 4200 not knowing how the brakes will behave.
Under this aspect, i believe, that if the forum wants members as "clients", not "enthusiasts", it will lose lots of the "old" members stated in my previous post, or worse, it will continually face situations like the one started with Jon's post here.
At the end of the day, it's where the forum (or the clique) is aimed to.
 
2b1ask1

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Mr.Cambio said:
Hello Zep and thank you for your comments. I was not referring to the centenary club only. I can see a trend of some people here (the clique) trying to "guide" or "manipulate" members to specific solutions regarding service, parts etc, while other makes/parts/solutions are rejected, which sounds strange. It's ok to try to low the cost in some ways, but our cars are expensive, and if anyone wants to have one, should be willing to pay for it. There is a saying is Greece which tells "golden undershirts need golden asses".
It's ok not to buy the Maserati front discs with the label on it, but buy straight the brembo 550 discs, rather that manufacture them privately, with limited testing on the specific car. Maseratis are premium, not Chinese, and so are the costs. And, personally i feel scared to track the 4200 not knowing how the brakes will behave.
Under this aspect, i believe, that if the forum wants members as "clients", not "enthusiasts", it will lose lots of the "old" members stated in my previous post, or worse, it will continually face situations like the one started with Jon's post here.
At the end of the day, it's where the forum (or the clique) is aimed to.
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Hi Nicos, I will personally take exception to any intimation that the forum disks in particular but also other parts solutions offered to members are in any way inferior to OEM. I personally spent a phenomenal amount of time talking to premium manufacturers about a batch supply and on several occasions got to the point of order to be told they couldn’t fulfil the order (following a visit from Maserati Maffioso). We realised that the efforts were being monitored by them. We in the end got APEC to go ahead, they are a very high end manufacturer and produce for multiple vehicle manufacturers. They discussed the metal composition and advances in the 20 + years since the 550 disks were produced and updated the formulae to reflect this. The disk batches were produced using their full production QC processes and specifications that equal or exceed OEM in every respect. The disks are covered by their warranty and indemnity as well as type approval certification. We should be immensely proud of the forum’s power and ability to circumscribe Maseratis stranglehold on service parts. The fact that people on this forum are willing to invest so much personal time making things available for no personal gain is testament to the strength of the forum. Frankly I am surprised by you making such a cutting statement as you have, I know you have used many of the ‘how to’ and other shared knowledge on here yourself.
 
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I think it can't be impossible for us to have some options like the disks available to the members, without this becoming a problem surely! If you don't like this sort of aftermarket thing don't buy them, it really is that simple. I think especially with older models like the 3200 where Maserati are discontinuing parts every day, if we don't find alternatives the cars will be scrapped. And again if you don't want the alternative then feel free to scrap the car, I don't feel there is any suggestion that the forum alternatives are preferred over original parts, and there are plenty of references on here to dealers and suppliers of original parts, I have found both equally on here.
 
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2b1ask1 said:
Hi Nicos, I will personally take exception to any intimation that the forum disks in particular but also other parts solutions offered to members are in any way inferior to OEM. I personally spent a phenomenal amount of time talking to premium manufacturers about a batch supply and on several occasions got to the point of order to be told they couldn’t fulfil the order (following a visit from Maserati Maffioso). We realised that the efforts were being monitored by them. We in the end got APEC to go ahead, they are a very high end manufacturer and produce for multiple vehicle manufacturers. They discussed the metal composition and advances in the 20 + years since the 550 disks were produced and updated the formulae to reflect this. The disk batches were produced using their full production QC processes and specifications that equal or exceed OEM in every respect. The disks are covered by their warranty and indemnity as well as type approval certification. We should be immensely proud of the forum’s power and ability to circumscribe Maseratis stranglehold on service parts. The fact that people on this forum are willing to invest so much personal time making things available for no personal gain is testament to the strength of the forum. Frankly I am surprised by you making such a cutting statement as you have, I know you have used many of the ‘how to’ and other shared knowledge on here yourself.
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Hi Newton, once again someone here misunderstands what i am writing, also the deeper meaning of them.

I will begin with what was not true in your post: 1) Never did i mock anyone, especially you, for your time and effort to make alternatives in parts, to search or produce, or get in contact with manufacturers. On the other hand, i do admire your behaviour against life, beeing such an active guy. I admire that, cause i do have the same attitude.
2) I have never used any of the parts suggested in the "alternatives", maybe you mix me up with someone else. I have paid tens of thousands to FD,bmc, larini, Maserati itself,etc etc, i even organised a 30% group buy with FD some years back (but "the clique" did never say "thank you" for making all this from my zero-free time). If someone does not believe it, i will send for free an air ticket with return, plus a free covid test, in order to see if my car has any of the alternatives, as you mention.

Now, the deeper meaning of what i am trying to explain is that, and in first place to agree with what Jon said on his initial post, no matter if it's brakes, or cent club, or jerseys, or cds with Maserati music, i advised that it has been here a lot of effort from people for the parts to be promoted. And by doing that, the forum gets money-oriented, rather than enthusiast-oriented. I believe you can understand the difference, but on the other hand i do not understand the tone/style of your message.
Not going to keep my answers going on this topic, i believe that what i wrote, got simply read by the eyes in charge. If not, it'll be disappointing.
 
Dan!

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Mr.Cambio said:
Hi Newton, once again someone here misunderstands what i am writing, also the deeper meaning of them.

I will begin with what was not true in your post: 1) Never did i mock anyone, especially you, for your time and effort to make alternatives in parts, to search or produce, or get in contact with manufacturers. On the other hand, i do admire your behaviour against life, beeing such an active guy. I admire that, cause i do have the same attitude.
2) I have never used any of the parts suggested in the "alternatives", maybe you mix me up with someone else. I have paid tens of thousands to FD,bmc, larini, Maserati itself,etc etc, i even organised a 30% group buy with FD some years back (but "the clique" did never say "thank you" for making all this from my zero-free time). If someone does not believe it, i will send for free an air ticket with return, plus a free covid test, in order to see if my car has any of the alternatives, as you mention.

Now, the deeper meaning of what i am trying to explain is that, and in first place to agree with what Jon said on his initial post, no matter if it's brakes, or cent club, or jerseys, or cds with Maserati music, i advised that it has been here a lot of effort from people for the parts to be promoted. And by doing that, the forum gets money-oriented, rather than enthusiast-oriented. I believe you can understand the difference, but on the other hand i do not understand the tone/style of your message.
Not going to keep my answers going on this topic, i believe that what i wrote, got simply read by the eyes in charge. If not, it'll be disappointing.
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I'm happy to volunteer for the trip to Greece to inspect your car. If you could space the flights 7 days apart, some time April that would be perfect. Thanks. ;)
 
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