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midlifecrisis

midlifecrisis

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safrane said:
What even the ones on the 'other' thread!
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No one exists until you see them or do they?

I'm presently in a room on my own at work with no windows. I hear planes flying, I can see them as targets on the radar displays, but are they there? I know how radar works, I've been taught and understand Waveguide theory (and you think quantum mechanics is hard!!!) I know how the display system works but to know that are there I have to leave the building and look...unless I have faith.

And that what anti-religious people don't get.

Look this thread could descend into another brexit thread...but to those with faith, good luck, carry on, don't insist on those without it to have it, just pray for them. Those without faith, don't besmirch (good bible word!) those that do, let them be, they are happy.
 
Tallman

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midlifecrisis said:
No one exists until you see them or do they?

I'm presently in a room on my own at work with no windows. I hear planes flying, I can see them as targets on the radar displays, but are they there? I know how radar works, I've been taught and understand Waveguide theory (and you think quantum mechanics is hard!!!) I know how the display system works but to know that are there I have to leave the building and look...unless I have faith.
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That would have been a correct statement if it was a Schrodinger’s Cat situation (i.e. if you had no way of knowing whether they are there or not). However, because you are getting a direct indication from a system that works in a way you understand and which is not based on faith but on technology, you don’t need faith to know that they are there. You know because there is no good reason for them not to be there based on the technology which you also happen to understand. Faith is the wrong word to use in this example, certainly if you use it in a religious sense.

Faith in a religious sense is based on the belief that an all powerful being is in charge of everything and where outcomes are not necessarily logical or reasonable (in the sense that you can reason the outcome).
 
2b1ask1

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Tallman said:
That would have been a correct statement if it was a Schrodinger’s Cat situation (i.e. if you had no way of knowing whether they are there or not). However, because you are getting a direct indication from a system that works in a way you understand and which is not based on faith but on technology, you don’t need faith to know that they are there. You know because there is no good reason for them not to be there based on the technology which you also happen to understand. Faith is the wrong word to use in this example, certainly if you use it in a religious sense.

Faith in a religious sense is based on the belief that an all powerful being is in charge of everything and where outcomes are not necessarily logical or reasonable (in the sense that you can reason the outcome).
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Yes, unless… we ARE in an iteration of the Matrix and we merely perceive what we want to as fact. I can prove this much to myself as I have witnessed deja vu several times! Now pass me the blue pill…

https://images.app.goo.gl/KeJSWmrffX1afHqAA
 
CatmanV2

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Tallman said:
However, because you are getting a direct indication from a system that works in a way you understand and which is not based on faith but on technology, you don’t need faith to know that they are there
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He's not really. Would be utterly trivial to imitate that.

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Lozzer

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2b1ask1 said:
Yes, unless… we ARE in an iteration of the Matrix and we merely perceive what we want to as fact. I can prove this much to myself as I have witnessed deja vu several times! Now pass me the blue pill…

https://images.app.goo.gl/KeJSWmrffX1afHqAA
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I'm not religious at all but each to there own I say, now back to the question, in the beginning, what was there and where did it come from? How many Sci-fi films of the 50's, 60's, 70's have tried to drip feed us the truth? ;)
 
montravia

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"if it was a Schrodinger’s Cat situation (i.e. if you had no way of knowing whether they are there or not)."

Probably the most misinterpreted/misquoted postulation.
The act of observation (measurement) inevitably perturbs the state of the observable. Applies to all measurement to some degree from photons upwards to more concrete. Nothing to do with not knowing because you can't see or not. Opening the box.......

Sorry to be pedantic.....

I'll go back to self consistent variation-perturbation calculations and leave you in peace

Gausians are bostin.
Bless
 
philw696

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Doing a lot better than when I started a similar thread that was shut down before it got going.
I genuinely find it all interesting but the most important thing is to live your life and be happy :)
If in doubt flat out x
 
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