Are you worried yet.

[Rwc13]

Try looking in the mirror.....you might learn something. I'm not even going to rise to the bait and will just ignore you. I only listen to people I can respect and talk sense or have an open mind or can respect someone else's opinion.

You are clearly talking complete BS. You don't know me or anything about me and never will.

I'm going to go back to the top of my ladder freezing my **** off trying to get an office finished.

Go and join your mates in the UK Govt. You deserve each other.

For the first time in this forum I am searching out the block option!

Well done

Excellent but see you didn’t deny anything I said. Perhaps I know aspects of you better than you know yourself

 

[Felonious Crud]

I can’t watch any of those emergency based programmes or GP programmes - makes my blood boil.

Sounds nasty, Sam. You should definitely call an ambulance for that.

 

[rockits]

I know - they are the people I love - not !!

We still send ambulances to known time wasters and need to get a grip.

I can’t watch any of those emergency based programmes or GP programmes - makes my blood boil.

love the NHS but time waters should receive a bill.

Can't agree with you more Sam. Maybe if they started fining people for abusing resources they might think twice about it the next time. We should take a much harder line on this IMHO as as a direct consequence of their selfish or stupid actions someone else may die.

 

[Wanderer]

Can't agree with you more Sam. Maybe if they started fining people for abusing resources they might think twice about it the next time. We should take a much harder line on this IMHO as as a direct consequence of their selfish or stupid actions someone else may die.

Could be worse, could be USA. Epilleptics especially wear wristbands saying 'DO NOT CALL AMBULANCE IF FITTING' since US has no ambulance service, all private companies and it's roughly £2500 a pop if one is called for you.

 

[Silvercat]

I think the recurring theme for.me and a really frustrating one is how slow we always seem to be at achieving the confirmed end goal.

Boris and his idiots always seem to delay when there is no point and delays always have impacts. Brexit negotiations were slow and delayed. A reaction to the Kent lorry situation was slow and delayed.

Now we have a slow and low speed of vaccine rollout. It is not acceptable. We should be doing 1m vaccinations a day at whatever cost to scale up. At least 1m a week. I'm not sure what percentage of the population is either unemployed or furloughed but you have a heck of a lot of people sitting on their backsides doing squat.

Get them trained and get them helping to administrator a vaccine asap. This should be like a war effort where we all come together to get these vaccines rolled at asap.

Why does everything take so bl00dy long in this country to ever do or achieve anything?!

We've made the right decision I feel here. Now just do it full steam ahead. Why do we need to delay or so it slow. We have been told it will work and is safe and is being rolled out. Why take 2 years or longer when you could do it in much less time? Surely speed is in the essence.

A positive case for Maserati's everywhere I feel

Bang on!! I agree that everything takes an awful lot longer than if should do but possibly a reflection of an inexperienced UKG and a bunch of inexperienced Ministers? However I suspect the Brexit negiotations have been incredibly complex, in having to unravel 50+ years of how we have traded and repackage it all. An unenviable task for anyone TBH.

 

[Saigon]

Could be worse, could be USA. Epilleptics especially wear wristbands saying 'DO NOT CALL AMBULANCE IF FITTING' since US has no ambulance service, all private companies and it's roughly £2500 a pop if one is called for you.

Wow, I suppose that is because (having a fit) could be contested by the medical insurance provider as not being a medical necessity, a get out clause for them if a claim is made. If it was a real medical necessity and you have private insurance surely they would be covered. None the less, a sad state of affairs. And we all know how insurance companies work “you pay us” but we will do our utmost not to pay you when a claim is made.

 

[Wanderer]

Wow, I suppose that is because (having a fit) could be contested by the medical insurance provider as not being a medical necessity, a get out clause for them if a claim is made. If it was a real medical necessity and you have private insurance surely they would be covered. None the less, a sad state of affairs. And we all know how insurance companies work “you pay us” but we will do our utmost not to pay you when a claim is made.

Yup - and 2.5k is the best part of QPV DS clutch!!

 

[Silvercat]

Long time lurker in this thread first time poster. Also happen to work for NHS England, not directly on vaccine roll out but close enough to know a little of what is going on.

Setting aside the political dimension of making timely decisions, (which I tend to absolutely agree with you on) the vaccine roll out speed right now is determined by the rate at which we are receiving the Pfizer vaccine. Remember we’ve been granted a v small initial allocation, 800k was the figure previously mentioned in the press. To date around 600k of over 80s and some frontline nhs and social care staff have been vaccinated. Given its a 2 dose vaccine that implies we have been able to get a little bit more, but still the numbers are tiny compared to what we need. However the MHRA are expected to approve the Oxford/AZ vaccine imminently and that’s the one that the uk govt have bet heavily on. The reasoning is sound, it’s cheaper, and easier to transport, alongside it being politically better as we can plaster a Union Jack over it. Once that is approved and starts to ship out we will see the rapid acceleration required.

My personal view is that if MHRA approval is granted before Friday, by about 4 weeks in we will have moved from not enough vaccine and too many people who wanted it, to not enough people who want it and too much vaccine.

There was an earlier comment talking about Wales and questioning the impact of their lockdown, the reason for their apparent acceleration in cases was a data issue which was resolved, that caused a sudden leap in cases

Delay in reporting 11,000 positive Covid tests 'undermines Welsh government'

Computer maintenance led to cases being missed from December’s public health statistics

www.google.co.uk

Strong rumours suggest that MHRA will approve the Oxford AZ vaccine tomorrow and I believe they have c.8 million doses ready to ship now. I also heard today that with changing the doseage for the first vaccine and then the 2nd one 21 days later, it will drive up the efficacy to around 95%. Here's hoping.....even if I am 8th on the priority list of 9.

 

[Wattie]

Not sure it's quite as straight forward as that now Wattie. There is now growing evidence that the new variant is also infecting young people and children aswell, some being hospitalised. So it's difficult to drawer any line around who is and who isnt vulnerable although predominantly it is still at the higher end of the age spectrum. But the bottom line is, that this virus is coming back to haunt us with avengence and already NHS and Ambulance services are being tested to their limits with the numbers going into hospital. I hate to say it but its going to be a really grim 3 months ahead of us all until the vaccine starts to have a significant impact on the population and infections start to fall. Roll on Summer..

Here’s the NHs’s Own figures.


The number of Covid-related deaths in England involving individuals under the age of 60 and free from a pre-existing condition is 377.

This is for the entire period of the pandemic!!!!!!

There is surely a compelling argument now for a more targeted approach which aggressively protects the genuinely vulnerable, using the full resources of the state and civil society, while letting everyone else go about their normal business.

Locking down an entire country is madness.

 

[Zep]

Here’s the NHs’s Own figures.
View attachment 79662

The number of Covid-related deaths in England involving individuals under the age of 60 and free from a pre-existing condition is 377.

This is for the entire period of the pandemic!!!!!!

There is surely a compelling argument now for a more targeted approach which aggressively protects the genuinely vulnerable, using the full resources of the state and civil society, while letting everyone else go about their normal business.

Locking down an entire country is madness.

Can you, for the benefit of balance, explain what is classed as a pre-existing condition?

Just yesterday, you said that “there are no easy answers” and you couldn’t offer a cogent plan for how this aggressive shielding would work, beyond everyone making their own choices. Yet today you are back offering a binary choice between lockdown and protecting the vulnerable.

 

[GeoffCapes]

Sounds nasty, Sam. You should definitely call an ambulance for that.

If you can get one.....

 

[Wattie]

Can you, for the benefit of balance, explain what is classed as a pre-existing condition?

Just yesterday, you said that “there are no easy answers” and you couldn’t offer a cogent plan for how this aggressive shielding would work, beyond everyone making their own choices. Yet today you are back offering a binary choice between lockdown and protecting the vulnerable.

You’d need to ask the NHS for the definition of that Zep.

I thought my outlined plan was pretty much clear.

The govt uses binary +ve case numbers to determine lockdowns tiers etc.

The NHS figures are a binary representation of why the action above is nonsense.

377

 

[Zep]

You’d need to ask the NHS for the definition of that Zep.

I thought my outlined plan was pretty much clear.

The govt uses binary +ve case numbers to determine lockdowns tiers etc.

The NHS figures are a binary representation of why the action above is nonsense.

377

I know, I was just wondering if you would share it to give context to your post.

Do you still say that there are no easy answers? Have you got a plan as to how it would work? Otherwise you are just needlessly repeating these things without actually offering anything new. Which doesn’t help anyone.

 

[Wattie]

I know, I was just wondering if you would share it to give context to your post.

Do you still say that there are no easy answers? Have you got a plan as to how it would work? Otherwise you are just needlessly repeating these things without actually offering anything new. Which doesn’t help anyone.

My plan was here Zep, https://www.sportsmaserati.com/index.php?threads/are-you-worried-yet.30503/post-827306

normality, personal responsibility.......etc etc.

Its a total reversal of the current action and panic over +ve test numbers- which clearly doesn't work and frankly when you read the likes of this, it isn't ever ever going to work.

WHO warns vaccinated travellers could still need to be quarantined (msn.com)

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1343620091695538179

 

[Zep]

My plan was here Zep, https://www.sportsmaserati.com/index.php?threads/are-you-worried-yet.30503/post-827306

normality, personal responsibility.......etc etc.

Good. You are right, you have said it already. And I’ll wager you will say it again tomorrow.

And the people that agree with you will still agree with you and the people that don’t will still not agree.

So, it begs the question, who are you trying to persuade?

 

[Wattie]

Good. You are right, you have said it already. And I’ll wager you will say it again tomorrow.

And the people that agree with you will still agree with you and the people that don’t will still not agree.

So, it begs the question, who are you trying to persuade?

Not trying to persuade anyone- i thought I'd just provide some NHS facts on the number of healthy people under 60 dying from this "deadly" disease that has everyone terrified and their freedoms restricted.

 

[Phil the Brit]

Could be worse, could be USA. Epilleptics especially wear wristbands saying 'DO NOT CALL AMBULANCE IF FITTING' since US has no ambulance service, all private companies and it's roughly £2500 a pop if one is called for you.

That is absolutely correct. I have a house in Florida. We had a party one night and one of our guests fell over the front doorstep and hurt herself. Phoned 911 and two fire engines, one ambulance and one police car turned up. The bill, nearly $4000. (Luckily covered by insurance). For full disclosure, fire engines are the ones who carry the paramedics. There were four of them to look after her, two from each truck.

 

[Zep]

Not trying to persuade anyone- i thought I'd just provide some NHS facts on the number of healthy people under 60 dying from this "deadly" disease that has everyone terrified and their freedoms restricted.

To what end?

To increase their stress because their freedom is restricted, potentially unreasonably? It’s the internet equivalent of howling at the moon.

Tell you what, why don’t we both have a break. You stop posting these interpretations of facts and I will stop asking you to explain them. Then we can both do something more useful.

 

[D Walker]

To what end?

To increase their stress because their freedom is restricted, potentially unreasonably? It’s the internet equivalent of howling at the moon.

Tell you what, why don’t we both have a break. You stop posting these interpretations of facts and I will stop asking you to explain them. Then we can both do something more useful.

Or get a room...

 

[CatmanV2]

Or get a room...

That would not provide the attention.....

C